Tuesday, April 6, 2010

Casey Anthony Case: Nancy Grace transcript April 6, 2010

NANCY GRACE
Casey Anthony Letters Admit Chloroform Use
Aired April 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the search for 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping and placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple-bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, we obtain 50 -- 50-plus -- handwritten letters tot mom secretly writes, then smuggles to a female inmate. Total, over 250 handwritten pages, plus all the late-night conversations tot mom has through the AC vent to the same two inmates. KO! Knockout to the defense. We confirm the inmates were housed in the cellblock with tot mom. Tot mom complaining, whining she got pregnant too young, then ultimately confessing she knocks out her own daughter with powerful sedatives, then stashes her in the car so tot mom could party and live the single life she always wanted, the letters revealing completely contradictory stories about Caylee`s so-called kidnap.

And then in a disgusting and bizarre twist, tot mom points the finger at her brother, Lee, and even her own father, grandfather George, claiming they sexually molested her. All the while, tot mom soaking up the star treatment she gets behind bars, admitting she`s become quite the celebrity and she loves it! Tot mom thinks it`s all about her. But I`ve got a surprise for tot mom tonight. It`s not about her at all. It`s about Caylee.

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CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: I`m going to start writing letters. I`m going to do it today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re getting shocking new details from the 258 pages of notes and letters Casey Anthony wrote to a female drug dealer that she met at a central Florida jail.

CASEY ANTHONY: As long as we have Caylee home, everything else with me we`ll deal with as we can.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "The Orlando Sentinel" is reporting Adams told investigators Anthony admitted she used to knock out her toddler daughter so she could go out at night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I found out on line through, like, FaceBook and MySpace, where she was going to be at a party.

CASEY ANTHONY: Getting Caylee home is our priority. Everything else will fall into place after that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A computer expert told the sheriff`s office that these searches that were found on Casey`s computer about how to make chloroform and neck breaking and that sort of thing was -- it was an unusually large file that appeared to have been deleted very close to the time that investigators seized that computer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the single most compelling pieces of evidence for premeditation in this case is that a chloroform search was done and there was chloroform found in the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It takes time for the chloroform to get into the hair, and the hair has to grow out of the follicle. If there was just one incidence where the chloroform was used to knock her out, tape her mouth, and so forth, it may not get into the hair.

CASEY ANTHONY: They`re twisting stuff. They`ve already said they`re going to pin this on me if they don`t find Caylee.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, we obtain 50-plus handwritten letters tot mom secretly writes, then smuggles to a female inmate. Total, over 250 handwritten pages, tot mom ultimately confessing she knocks out her own daughter with powerful sedatives, then stashes Caylee in the car so tot mom could party and live the single life she always wanted.

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CASEY ANTHONY: The only way they`re going to find Caylee is if they actually listen to what I`m saying. And I`m trying to help them, and they`re not letting me help them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Secret letters from jail just released, 258 pages from Casey Anthony to her drug dealer pen pal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s nothing in there that it is by any means even close to a confession.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... spilled her guts about plans after she`s released. Casey even reportedly took time to bash her own mom and dad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We think that there are things in there that she`ll be criticized about because of the editorializing that goes on in this case and the way people like to criticize Miss Anthony.

CASEY ANTHONY: The media completely misconstrued everything that I said. The (EXPLETIVE DELETED) detectives told them (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The letters are all over the place, and they really run the gamut. I made a list. She talks about going to Bible study. She talks about movies she`s seen. She talks about her family. She talks about friends. She talks about how she misses Caylee. She also talks about preparation for the memorial for Caylee Anthony.

CASEY ANTHONY: There`s absolutely nothing to find out, not even what I told the detectives.

LEE ANTHONY, CASEY`S BROTHER: Well, you know, everything that you`re telling them is a lie.

CASEY ANTHONY: I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think any of this would be happening? No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Did I just hear her lawyer say that the media is editorializing tot mom`s letters, 250 pages of long handwritten letters talking all about herself? We don`t need to editorialize what she wrote. It`s damning enough reading it in the black and white!

To Kathi Belich with WFTV, joining us out of Orlando. This is a treasure trove for the state. This is the biggest development in this case since the finding of the child`s body, the discovery of the body thrown away like trash just 15 houses from the Anthony home, these letters and these conversations tot mom has through a heating and air-conditioning vent. And we`ve confirmed through our sources tonight that that is entirely possible. It`s a torpedo to the defense, Kathi Belich. What`s in the letters?

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: Well, we understand that she told one of the inmates that she used chloroform to knock out Caylee so that she could go out. And she insinuated that she might have gotten that chloroform from her mother, who might have brought it home from a clinic where she worked. But she said she did that to knock Caylee out because Caylee had trouble sleeping when she wanted to go out and she couldn`t find a baby-sitter.

GRACE: OK, just very quickly, to Dr. Marty Makary, physician, professor of public health, Johns Hopkins. Dr. Makary, it`s my understanding that chloroform was banned by the government for consumer use on patients back in the `70s. So if that`s correct, if I understand that - - I mean, maybe they could still use it at a hospital, I don`t think so -- but that would be a big -- another big, fat lie of tot mom`s, that she got it through her mother.

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, JOHNS HOPKINS: That`s right. We only use straight alcohol. We don`t use chloroform anymore. The only place it`s really stocked is in a laboratory, where in cases...

GRACE: Wait! Wa-wa-wa-wa-wait. You use straight alcohol? What do you mean you use straight alcohol? For what?

MAKARY: Anything that ends with an O-L, like chloroform or alcohol, is used to clean. It`s a sanitizer. It`s diluted down, and it`s a powerful antiseptic. So we use straight alcohol to clean or -- or sterilize all sorts of equipment.

GRACE: OK, you just taught me something new, Dr. Makary. I thought chloroform was used to sedate people.

MAKARY: It used to be in the old days used to sedate people when they didn`t have good anesthesia. But it was also a poisonous toxin. So for that reason, it was abandoned, as you mentioned.

GRACE: So there`s no way her mother could have gotten this and brought it home and then tot mom get her hands on it?

MAKARY: I couldn`t get it from my own hospital, if I tried.

GRACE: OK.

MAKARY: The only place is a catalog or a laboratory or something like that.

GRACE: So bottom line -- back to you, Kathi Belich -- what this means to me is that all those computer searches she did on how to make homemade hooch, chloroform -- she`s trying to push it off on her mother. Her mother, Cindy Anthony, is not bringing home chloroform from any clinic. OK. What else was in the letters?

BELICH: There was also something about the day that Caylee`s remains were found. This is very damning information, as well. Inmate Robyn Adams, who she befriended at the jail, said that on the day Caylee`s remains were found, after the jail chaplain had broken the news to Casey, that she talked to Casey and Casey told her that they had found a child`s remains and the child was wrapped in a blanket and a trash bag, a black trash bag.

But investigators noted that the chaplain at the jail nor anyone else, including Casey, would have been given those details on that first day. And they`re pointing out that the only person who would have known those details or only people who would have known those details would be the killer and investigators. So they`re saying that that looks like guilty knowledge on her part to give those details...

GRACE: OK, hold on. To you, Ellie Jostad. Break that down for me.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. Well, we all remember -- and we saw this in some evidence that was released earlier. They said that the day that Casey Anthony was taken from her cell, notified about Caylee - - or the finding of a small child`s body, they said that she was in her cell. She was eventually taking to listen to the media reports. But what they`re saying is when she told this fellow inmate that they`d found a body, she gave details, like Kathi said, about the black bag, about a blanket, that the chaplain who notified her, he didn`t know anything about that, so he couldn`t have told her. They`re saying these are only details the killer or the investigators would know about.

GRACE: And there you see the female inmate, Robyn Adams, that tot mom spoke to ad nauseam. And Kathi Belich with WFTV, isn`t it true that tot mom -- now, this isn`t about the case, but I just find this freaky -- that she goes on -- and the inmate will be talking about Caylee, and then tot mom goes off on her plans to travel when she`s released from jail and she wants to get an RV with this woman and travel the country and sightsee. She`s planning a vacation, right?

BELICH: It`s true. She -- yes, she talked very little about Caylee in these letters. She talked a lot about her plans, what she plans to do. She wanted to apparently make a movie, write a book about all of this...

GRACE: Make a movie? OK, Kathi Belich, is there one thing, one thing in all of these letters, in all of these conversations, about who is the real killer and that she is distraught about not finding the killer who took her daughter and killed her daughter? Anything? I haven`t heard one word about it.

BELICH: Well, I have read a little bit about it. She did say that at some point, she felt like she needed to do something drastic to whoever is responsible. But on the other hand, she talked about how Caylee would be better off, she`ll never have her heart broken, no one will ever take advantage of her...

GRACE: Wait! Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa! So in 250 pages, in all those late- night pillow talk conversations she has with the other female inmate, she says one time, I may need to do something drastic to whoever killed Caylee? That`s it? That`s it?

BELICH: That really is it. She never talked about finding the killer. In fact, she comes out and says that her friend Zenaida of four years she knows had nothing to do with this and she doesn`t blame her for not showing her face publicly because she`d just get blamed. She really contradicts a lot of what she says back and forth in these letters.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chloroform would have to be investigated. That`s a potential cause of death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s well documented Casey Anthony liked to party. One of her friends even says, at parties, quote, "The kid slept through anything."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They may work 10 times. But the 11th time, too much is given and the baby dies.

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CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "The Orlando Sentinel" is reporting Anthony admitted she used to knock out her toddler daughter so she could go out at night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Evidence reportedly shows traces of chloroform found in mother Casey Anthony`s car.

CINDY ANTHONY: There was a bag of pizza for what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots. It stunk so bad.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: There was an overpowering smell. I`ll admit that.

CINDY ANTHONY: There was no odor in the car when it was towed down to the towing company. No odor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her computer, confiscated by police after her July arrest, shows someone was searching Web sites for information about chloroform.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`ll leak and say there`s evidence of searches on a computer, chloroform in the trunk, OK? That`s A to Z. What about B through Y?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The practice is more common among young moms who don`t want to be bothered by a crying baby. It`s well documented Casey Anthony liked to party. And in discovery documents, one of her friends even says at parties, quote, "The kid slept through anything." Someone at the Anthony home looked up chloroform on the Web around the time of Caylee`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where`s the transaction? Where`s the credit card receipt?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have forensic evidence that has been returned to us regarding the vehicle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t just walk into Walgreen`s and buy chloroform.

CASEY ANTHONY: I just watched the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) news and heard everything that my mom said. Nobody in my own family is on my side!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Straight out to Debra in Canada. Hi, Debra.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Oh, I`m so happy to talk to you.

GRACE: Likewise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First of all, I want to say I love your show. Keep doing what you`re doing. And you`re a wonderful mom. My question is, has anyone ever diagnosed her? Has she ever seen a psychiatrist for bipolar or some mental illness?

GRACE: Debra in Canada, believe me, if there`s any remote possibility that she is bipolar, we will hear about it in court. What about it, Kathi Belich?

BELICH: We do know that she underwent a psychological and psychiatric, I believe, evaluation when she went into the jail, and I think every time she went into the jail, and she was cleared as far as that. She`s not in a psychiatric ward, and I think she`s not under any special medications for any type of affliction like that.

GRACE: What about it, Ellie?

JOSTAD: I was just going to say the exact same thing Kathi said. We don`t know of any history of mental illness. There are people that suggested in their statements to police that they thought she might have bipolar disorder, but as far as we know, she`s never been diagnosed that way by a medical professional.

GRACE: To Bonnie in Wisconsin. Hi, Bonnie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. I really...

GRACE: Thank you for calling in. Bless you. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Will all or some of these letters be let in in her court case and used as somewhat of a confession?

GRACE: They will absolutely be admissible. Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight out of New York, Susan Moss, family law attorney, child advocate, John Burris, famed attorney out of the San Francisco jurisdiction, and out of Atlanta, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney. What about it, Sue Moss?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Oh, they`re absolutely coming in. She gave Caylee that chloroform drug so she could go out and cut a rug? This is absolutely what they needed to tie up her going on the computer, finding chloroform, and then finding evidence of chloroform close to that body. This is a slam dunk.

GRACE: John Burris?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, some portion of the statements will come in. The parts you just talked about, the chloroform, certainly will come in. Other aspects of the statement will come in, as well, particularly about statements regarding her knowledge about how the child died. But most of the other stuff probably won come in because it`s just character evidence that does not go to the charges themselves. Some portion of it will. Most of it will not.

GRACE: You know, Raymond Giudice, of course I disagree with John Burris. And if I were arguing the case, I would argue that all of these letters go to her frame of mind. She`s behind bars. According to her, she doesn`t know who killed her child, her little girl. Now, don`t you know, Ray, if you or your wife were wrongly accused of one of your wife`s children`s deaths that you would be livid, you would be beside yourself to find the person that killed the child? And she`s talking about her vacation in an RV, touring the country when she gets out from behind bars? This goes to her frame of mind.

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I agree with John. A lot of this is going to be relevant. I haven`t seen all 250 pages and had a chance to read it carefully. But I`ll tell you what. It might be so bad that the defense counsel may want to put it all in so the jury spends their time reading about her hair care products, instead of looking at the scientific evidence, which at the end of the day is going to convict her.

GRACE: You know what, Ray? Dream on. Because any jury in their right mind will be able to process all of this just as easily as you can.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First we told you about the forensic evidence suggesting Caylee Anthony`s decomposing body was at one time in the trunk of the car. Now preliminary tests show chloroform was in that trunk, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anthony admitted she used to knock out her toddler daughter so she could go out at night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a dangerous practice because you don`t know how much the child is inhaling. It can shut down the respiratory system, the brain, and then the heart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re getting shocking new details from the 258 pages of notes and letters Casey Anthony wrote to a female drug dealer that she met at a central Florida jail. Along with the letters, a transcript of an interview with Adams was released. "The Orlando Sentinel" is reporting Adams told investigators Anthony admitted she used to knock out her toddler daughter so she could go out at night. Casey Anthony is in custody under a protective custody status, which means that she isn`t allowed to communicate directly with other inmates. Under those rules, passing notes isn`t permitted.

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GRACE: Well, where there`s a will, there is a way. Not only do we learn tot mom sends 50-plus letters to the tune of 250-plus handwritten pages, she also has long late-night conversations when all the other inmates have gone to sleep through the air-condition and heating vent to two other inmates. We have confirmed their locations in the cellblock and that it is, in fact, possible. It`s like talking on a telephone to these other inmates.

Straight back out to the lines. Maria, Arkansas. Hi, Maria.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve got a question, and then I want to make a statement.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did anybody ever go and check out the meter reader`s apartment where he lived to see if there was anything there that might put him in with Caylee`s murder?

GRACE: OK. Let me just ask you out of curiosity, Maria, how would that fit in with tot mom`s theory that the nanny stole Caylee from a public park? Where would the meter reader fit into that? Maria?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t -- I don`t -- I don`t -- those were not -- - that I don`t think happened. I don`t believe that it ever happened.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony wrote 50 letters, 258 pages, to another inmate at the Orange County jail.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What Casey Anthony is writing from behind bars, and here it is, about the nanny.

"I know that Caylee`s nanny, the real Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for four years, I know in my heart that she`s not responsible, and I don`t blame her for not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for doing something that you didn`t do?"

"I was going to take Caylee and move away." OK? "Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zanny wouldn`t tell me where she and Cays were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put some stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new in everything. That`s why I waited to report her missing because she was and wasn`t."

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": She actually does regret something. When she`s talking about Zenaida and how that she kept Caylee for 30 days and she then didn`t know where she was, she said she allowed the 30 days to go by because she thought Zenaida was going to return her, and she said, "If I could only go back in time." She does regret something there.

JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: There`s nothing in there that is, by any means, even close to a confession. It`s really just a bunch of communication back and forth. And we`re not really concerned with what`s in there.

Had we filed a motion, the speculation would have been endless, and we decided as a team it`s probably best just to go ahead and let it be released to end the speculation. Unfortunately, this somehow occurred, where you had the two highest classified inmates in a facility being allowed to communicate, and it`s quite frankly unacceptable.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: As we are going to air, we get a response from the defense, stating, "The letters released reflect the natural desire for companionship when isolated 23 hours a day, demonstrate Casey`s unconditional love for her daughter. Despite its intentions it`s obvious in the letters authored by Robyn Adams, the inmate, her purpose in corresponding was to create leverage to get out of prison early.

"Furthermore, despite numerous media reports, inaccurate reports, the letters written by Anthony do not contain a reference to chloroform or admissions of guilt. Casey Anthony maintains her innocence and looks forward to her day in court."

They thought it very important to get this media response out tonight. But back to you, Ellie Jostad. In the letters and in the conversations does she mention that she knocks out the child so she can go party?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes, well, both of these inmates, Maya Derkovic, who is a convicted murderer, she murdered a 15-year-old girl. Also Robyn Adams, who`s a convicted drug dealer, now serving time in federal prison.

They both claim that in conversations with them Casey Anthony told them that she would knock out Caylee. She did this so she didn`t have to get a babysitter, she didn`t want to leave Caylee with her parents. So she would put her to sleep so that she could then go party.

One of them used the phrase so she could go out. It`s because they said she was complaining that she was young. She couldn`t live the life she wanted with a child.

GRACE: I want to go now to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, who spent time with the Anthony family when he first helped tot mom bond out from behind bars.

Are you surprised, Leonard Padilla, at all these letters and the comments that she made about having Caylee too young, that she wanted to be single, the comments about doping the child up so she`d be knocked out so she could go party all night?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, BAILED CASEY ANTHONY OUT OF JAIL: No. None of it surprises me. But I will tell you this. Cindy never brought no chloroform home. She probably never had access to it. Because when we were there one of the things that they were very, very strict on, no guns in the house, and they even went as far as to say that they had decided when that child was living with them -- when the child was born, they were going to have no guns in the house.

And I can tell you this. Cindy brought no chloroform home. The only drug she ever used to put her child to sleep so she could party was Zanax, and that`s where the term Zanny came up two or three years before.

The whole system of writing that she`s using right now is Casey through and through. She`s letting out certain things, tidbits and all that. And you know, it`s like the old term, the old expression about crazy like a fox.

You might think that McNaughton applies to her, but it doesn`t. It`s a situation where she`s crazy like a fox, she`s letting things out just far enough to where they can be interpreted. But the real killer against her is going to be where she specifically states things like "the black bag," "the blanket," when there was no way she could have known about that unless she had actual knowledge of it.

GRACE: And also, Leonard Padilla, what about her bizarre and twisted claims pointing the finger at her own father and brother as sexually molesting her?

PADILLA: You know, the situation came up before. Long ago it has come up in more than one conversation. She wants to have a situation where she can set up the molestation in case she needs it down the road.

She wants to set up certain things like Cindy possibly bringing chloroform home from where she works in case she needs it as an excuse for the chloroform. But the damning situation is where she herself sits there and says "black bag" and "blanket" when the body was found and obviously relays it to somebody.

She had no way of having that knowledge, as the detectives have said. They never disclosed that kind of information right off the top. They didn`t do it then, and they probably haven`t done it now.

As far as the letters, they`re probably more damning against her than when she was actually having conversations with her mom and dad and Lee. Because this is in her own handwriting. She can`t blame any miscommunication on somebody else. She`s doing the communicating herself.

And that`s Casey. I`m telling you, it`s actual Casey in those letters. Every bit of it.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Beverly in Rhode Island. Hi, Beverly.

BEVERLY, CALLER FROM RHODE ISLAND: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

BEVERLY: I have a question. The defense keeps saying that the body was placed there while she was in prison. And for a while there I remember one time on your show that summer no one could find Lee, they didn`t know where he was. Could it be possible that she had her brother place that baby in the woods there?

GRACE: Excellent question. To you, Ellie Jostad. Let`s take a look at that. Why is the defense claiming the body was placed where it was found while tot mom was behind bars? And bottom line, even if she did have her brother Lee discard the body, which I don`t believe, all right? That still means that she killed the child.

JOSTAD: Well, and Nancy, this keeps coming up. In fact, in a hearing a few months ago Todd (INAUDIBLE), who used to be on the defense team, said that there was overwhelming evidence that the body was placed there while Casey was in jail.

Now, the state asked them to present that evidence. There was even a deadline set. I believe it was back in February. That date came and went. We never found out what that evidence is.

But as you know, the defense keeps trying to get those Texas EquuSearch records. They claim there could be volunteers that searched that area that summer while Casey was in jail and there were no remains there.

GRACE: Back to the lines, Carla, Virginia. Hi, Carla.

CARLA, CALLER FROM VIRGINIA: Hi, Nancy. How are you today?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

CARLA: My question is -- well, actually, it`s a statement. There is absolutely no possible way that she was ever sexually molested. She is using this to get the public that hates her for sympathy. They`re thinking, oh, well, maybe something happened to her.

Because if she loved her daughter so much and she was sexually molested, why would she leave her there with her father and Lee? Because I mean he was always in and out of the house before he moved.

Why would she leave the child there to be molested also?

GRACE: That is an excellent question. Out to Dr. Michelle Golland, psychologist and expert on Momlogic.com.

Doctor, doesn`t her own behavior belie or disprove her claims that her father and brother molested her?

MICHELLE GOLLAND, PSYD., PSYCHOLOGIST, EXPERT ON MOMLOGIC.COM: Yes. I mean the one thing we can be for sure, Nancy, about is the fact that she is a pathological liar. And there`s been a lot of question about does she have a mental illness. And what I see, Nancy, is a personality disorder.

This is a woman who has narcissistic and borderline personality features, which go to the whole idea of manipulating and lying and trying to get attention and all the things. Wanting to live her life at the expense of getting rid of her daughter.

GRACE: And doesn`t it seem to you, Michelle Golland, that if she had been molested, as the caller accurately points out, by her father and brother, no way would she leave the child there alone with him.

GOLLAND: It would be really, really shocking --

GRACE: Exactly.

GOLLAND: -- if she would. Although -- yes.

GRACE: To Ray Giudice, John Burris, Susan Moss.

Ray Giudice, it sounds to me like she`s trying to set up a defense behind bars, blaming Cindy Anthony for bringing home chloroform -- not true-- pointing the finger at her own father, who has stood by her through thick and thin, and brother, that they molested her. B.S.

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, we`ve talked earlier. I`ve always felt that George, the father, was one of her best and only witnesses. But I think what Leonard pointed out is true. This might be death penalty information at death penalty sentencing to try to avoid her going to the gas chamber or to whatever method they use in Florida.

GRACE: Agree, John Burris?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I do agree. I think it goes only to the sentencing phase of a case where you`re looking for mitigation as opposed to the actual trial itself where you`re trying to determine whether she did it or not.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is one person to believe that those -- that the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in jail, to reach a reasonable doubt, which of course would require Miss Anthony`s acquittal.

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CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: The media is going to have a freaking field day with this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The charges against you are first degree murder --

CASEY ANTHONY: I take complete and full responsibility for my actions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aggravated child abuse.

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m sorry for what I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aggravated manslaughter.

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: I still believe my daughter.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: I believe in my daughter.

LEE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S BROTHER: I believe everything that my sister tells me.

CASEY ANTHONY: The most important thing in this entire world to me. I just want my baby back.

CINDY ANTHONY: My daughter from day one has gotten, you know -- she has been a victim just as much as Caylee.

CASEY ANTHONY: They`ve already said they`re going to pin this on me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee was almost 3 when she died.

CINDY ANTHONY: There`s no evidence that Casey has ever done any harm to her child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With duct tape over her nose and her mouth.

CINDY ANTHONY: You`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First one piece --

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know what your involvement is, sweetheart.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then two. Then three.

GEORGE ANTHONY: There was an overpowering smell. I`ll admit that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that no breath was possible.

CASEY ANTHONY: My entire life has been taken from me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trying to pin it on Zanny the nanny.

CASEY ANTHONY: Everything has been taken from me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She tries to pin it on people who don`t even exist.

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m not in control over any of this.

CINDY ANTHONY: What she told me and what I found out was two different things.

CASEY ANTHONY: You`re not helping me help myself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anyone who contends that no juror could find that these conclusions call for a sentence of death is only fooling themselves.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Tonight bombshell out of Florida. We get 50-plus handwritten letters by tot mom to another female inmate. Not only that. Which equals over 250 handwritten pages. We learned about late-night conversations, pillow talk between tot mom and two other female inmates, long after everyone else has gone to sleep, through the heat and air-condition ducts.

To Kathi Belich, WFTV. Isn`t it true that these two women were in fact on the cell block with tot mom?

KATHI BELICH, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE WFTV, COVERING STORY: Yes, they were. They were there at the exact same time she was there. That much the jail would confirm. And some of these records that we just got today indicate that one of the jail guards was actually facilitating meetings between the two of them late at night, even at one point helping Casey cut Robyn Adams` hair through an opening in her cell.

So there was some facilitation going on apparently within the jail, helping them communicate with one another.

GRACE: So Kathi Belich, it`s just like one big pajama party there at the jail?

BELICH: Well, I don`t know about that. But it sounds like --

GRACE: Well, they`re cutting each other`s hair. They`re having late- night meetings with each other after everybody else has gone to sleep. They`re talking like high school girls on the telephone in the early morning hours.

BELICH: It`s certainly surprising. I mean, the number of letters that were passed --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: I mean -- put Belich up. Belich.

BELICH: Yes.

GRACE: Didn`t you ever go to a pajama party when you were in high school?

BELICH: Yes. Of course.

GRACE: Well, isn`t that what you do? The only thing they didn`t do is call a boy and hang up.

(LAUGHTER)

BELICH: That`s right. It seems like that, yes.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, what else is in the letters that is damning to the defense?

JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, we also know that she apparently didn`t express any real concern when other inmates would say things like -- one of the inmates describes how when Casey Anthony was taken out of her cell for an attorney meeting or what have you, the other inmates would taunt her and they would all yell things like, where`s Caylee, Casey?

And even though they were trying to be nasty this inmate says that Casey Anthony just thought it was funny. She would smile and laugh and didn`t seem to be concerned by it, just seemed to revel in the fact that people knew her name and knew who she was.

GRACE: This is the woman whose 2-year-old child has allegedly been kidnapped and murdered, her skeleton found thrown away in a trash bag, the skull duct-taped. And she, Ellie, tot mom, is worried about her complexion and how she`s going to look in court?

JOSTAD: Yes. Apparently she also wrote in one these letters that -- she said something to the effect of, you know, I wanted to go to bed early tonight so I could get up early and look pretty for jail. Now I`m going to look bad.

She also complained about the clothes that her mother, Cindy Anthony, had sent to the jail that she could wear in court. She describes one of her looks as her naughty librarian look.

It goes on and on. She`s complaining about her acne. She complains about the ramen noodles she has to eat --

GRACE: Wait. Wait. Her acne? She complains about her acne?

JOSTAD: Yes. That`s in one of the letters.

GRACE: And one of the outfits she wears to court she describes as the naughty librarian? You know what? I`m learning more about her than I ever wanted to know.

JOSTAD: That`s true. And she complained because she said, you know, Cindy sent over this jacket and she said something like this jacket I`ve never heard of and a sheer white blouse and blue pants. And then she says like, what?

She`s complaining that her mother isn`t bringing her the right sort of clothes apparently to wear in court.

GRACE: Really? That`s her concern? To Sergeant Scott Haines, sheriff`s officer, Sta. Rosa County, Florida.

Sergeant, explain to me why it is illegal for inmates to have these conversations and to pass letters. Why was the sheriff thrown out of her job? She`s on paid leave. It`s kind of like a paid vacation. But why?

SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA COUNTY, FL.: One of the biggest things, it`s a safety concern. When you have inmates talking to each other when they`re supposed to be in confinement by themselves and they`re passing information back and forth, they could be plotting either some type of an escape or some type of an assault on an officer.

They have reasons for that. And that`s why.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: She is not a murderer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I looked at it and I examined it. And I saw the duct tape and I saw the eye sockets and I realized what it was.

CASEY ANTHONY: I spent the day almost completely by myself.

CINDY ANTHONY: I love her and I support her.

CASEY ANTHONY: I was completely and utterly miserable.

CINDY ANTHONY: I exactly know how hard it is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In her own words she says that she still maintains the story that Caylee was with Zenaida Gonzalez. She was planning to move away. She had left Caylee with her and all her plans got tangled out of control because Caylee was with Zenaida and she didn`t report her missing because she was, but yet she wasn`t missing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to you, Ellie. Let`s answer the question from Carla in Virginia. So many people still want to pin this on Ray Kronk, the meter reader.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: What do we know about whether police did search his place?

JOSTAD: Well, we were just talking about this trying to remember. And Natisha Lance -- her understanding was that they did search his house. We know that they did interview him numerous times and could find no connection between him and the Anthony family.

GRACE: And to you, John Burris, he is an obvious scapegoat because he called 911 several times. He`s the one that stumbled on the body, so naturally they`re going to try to blame him.

BURRIS: Well, I don`t know that if I were the defense lawyers I would do that. I can see that you might want to do it. Because it`s not really provable in any real way, you discredit yourself as a defense counsel if you try to --

GRACE: That`s a good point.

BURRIS: -- make that argument in the case. So I would not have done that. I think they`ve got enough problems focusing on the evidence as unfolding here now and try to deal with some of these statements that she has made. Particularly they`re trying to get something less than first- degree murder.

So that to me is a red herring and I wouldn`t spend any time dealing with it.

GRACE: You know, put Burris back up. You know, Burris, that is actually really excellent trial strategy right there, because you don`t want to bring up the phantom, the Specter, that Ray Kronk did it, and then have Ray Kronk come in with a story that absolutely proves he didn`t do it.

That shoots your theory down immediately. I mean -- so if they did focus on that, as you are suggesting, it would be their ruin.

BURRIS: Yes. It would not be good. There are other things they got to focus on that they got enough problems dealing with it. And that, to me, is not the place to spend any time.

GRACE: Yes. What about it, Sue Moss?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: But Casey is looking for scapegoats left and right like Lee. I mean she`s got some nerve calling that guy a perv.

GRACE: You know I`m surprised you could pull off two rap rhymes in one show, but you did it.

(LAUGHTER)

Everybody, let`s stop and remember Army Private 1st Class James Harrelson, just 19, Dadeville, Alabama, killed Iraq. Awarded the Medal of Honor, the nation`s highest military award, the Bronze Star and Purple Heart.

Never met a stranger. Affectionately called Spanky. Remembered for a smile that lit up a room. Loved his God, family, friends, country, sports, dancing. Dreamed of being a father and living on a lake.

Leaves behind grieving parents James and Tammy, stepfather Dennis, brother Christopher, who also served Iraq, and sisters Tonya and Jessica.

James Harrelson, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially you for being with us. And a special good night from friends of the show, Lisa, Brenda, Jennifer and Virginia. VG (ph).

And aren`t they a beautiful group?

And thank you to North Carolina friend, Mary, for these Easter bunnies for the twins made out of milk jugs.

Thank you.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

END

Wednesday, March 10, 2010

Casey Anthony Case: Nancy Grace transcript March 10, 2010

NANCY GRACE

Casey Anthony Defense Team Wants Evidence Thrown Out
Aired March 10, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the search for a 2-year- old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminates when skeletal remains found in a heavily-wooded area 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct taping and placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

Bombshell tonight. Ban the photos! That`s what tot mom`s fleet of defense attorneys are screaming to the trial judge. That`s right, tot mom hopes the jury will never see photos of her out on the town in a mini-skirt and push-up bra in the very days, the hours after she says her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee, disappears. Not only that, she wants her own mother`s 911 call thrown out, where Cindy Anthony admits tot mom`s car smells like a dead body.

And listen, that`s the tip of the iceberg. The defense lists over 200 pieces of evidence they want banned from the courtroom. Why? Because it`s all damning. To top it all off, after raking in well over a quarter million dollars for their stories, their photos, their interviews, now tot mom says she`s broke. Broke! The taxpayers, you and me, have to pay for her defense. That`s right. Price tag, the defense says at least $1 million.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff (INAUDIBLE) I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What is her...

CINDY ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A web of lies -- that`s what police say they`re dealing with in the search for Caylee Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey is a very effective liar.

CINDY ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK, what is the address that you`re calling from?

CINDY ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl! My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You lied to your parents and friends concerning your child`s whereabouts.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Anthonys admit Casey has lied to them again and again.

CINDY ANTHONY: You`re blaming me that you`re sitting in the jail?

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: Not my fault.

CINDY ANTHONY: Blame yourself for telling lies.

CASEY ANTHONY: There`s absolutely nothing to find out. That`s even what I told the detectives.

LEE ANTHONY, CASEY`S BROTHER: Well, you know, everything that you`re telling them is a lie.

CASEY ANTHONY: I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think any of this would be happening? No.

CINDY ANTHONY: I need to find her!

911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted the baby is where?

CINDY ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago that my daughter`s been working for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds of pictures of Casey Anthony, many of them racy, embarrassing. We`re talking about thousands of photos, photos like that, Casey partying it up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some of the photos are from the time when Caylee had disappeared. Others are from as far away as a year ago.

CINDY ANTHONY: I am upset now. I`m completely upset. One, the media`s going to have a frickin` field day with this!

CINDY ANTHONY: She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think there`s any evidence that`s been released that shows the heinous, atrocious, cruel aggravator exists.

CINDY ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Ban the photos. That`s what tot mom`s fleet of defense attorneys are screaming to the trial judge. Tot mom hopes this jury will never see the photos of her out on the town in a mini-skirt and a push-up bra, all happening in the very days, the hours after she says her little girl, 2-year-old Caylee, disappears.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You found out she was going to be at a party, and then you went to that party, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you wait there for her at the Dragon Room?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was there in downtown, in the grater downtown area, probably until 3:00 in the morning.

GRACE: Private revealing photos...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How is that relevant as to whether or not she killed her daughter? All they`re doing is showing bad character.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The state`s going to contend, one of the motives, one of the reason she killed her daughter was because it just didn`t fit in with her lifestyle.

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m frustrated and I`m angry!

CINDY ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anywhere we can restrict the irrelevant information from possibly affecting her right to a fair trial, it should be done.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigative interviews with Casey`s friend, Amy Huizenga, reveals information about a rich social life for Casey Anthony not long after her daughter was lost from the picture.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The going out, the partying (INAUDIBLE) Casey in the American flag is from that no-clothes party we went to in May.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re playing with fire when we`re playing with the rights of a fair trial.

CASEY ANTHONY: I got off of work, left Universal, driving back to pick up Caylee, like a normal day. And I show up to the apartment, knock on the door. Nobody answers. So I call Zenaida`s cell phone, and it`s out of service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Casey ever take money from you by using your credit cards without your permission?

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s not relevant to this case.

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t care what I have to do. What I told them I would lie, I would steal, I would do whatever by any means to get her back. That`s exactly how I feel. It`s the truth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Kathi Belich, joining us from CNN affiliate WFTV there in Orlando. Kathi, I`ve got all the motions right here. There`s over 200 pieces of evidence that they want banned from the jury`s eyesight and ear sight, I guess. They don`t want the jury to hear any of this.

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: That`s right, they don`t. And you saw those pictures. They don`t want the jury to see the pictures before or after Caylee disappeared. And there are 207 statements that I counted that -- plus Cindy`s 911 call, that the defense wants to keep out of this trial. They say that those comments are prejudicial, that it`s hearsay, it`s not admissible, it only makes Casey look bad, and it`s not credible evidence. It shouldn`t come into the trial. That`s their argument.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Over 200 pieces of evidence tot mom`s defense team wants thrown out. The jury will never see or hear over 200 crucial pieces of evidence to the state, if they have their way.

Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Susan Moss, family law attorney, New York, Richard Herman, renowned attorney out of New York, and high-profile lawyer out of Seattle jurisdiction Anne Bremner.

Of course, Sue Moss -- of course they make her look bad. Every piece of evidence that the state brings in in any trial makes the defendant look bad because it proves they`re guilty.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Oh, these pix will stay in the mix! The pictures before the alleged abduction come in because they go to motive, the motive that Mom didn`t want to be a mom any more. The pictures after this alleged abduction is also going to come in. She was supposed to be searching for the kid, not going out and getting drunk.

GRACE: Richard Herman, do they have a leg to stand on, asking for all these pieces of evidence, over 200 pieces of evidence, the 911 call, photos, reams of evidence be thrown out?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They do, Nancy, because in a death penalty case, there`s a heightened level of due process protection afforded to a defendant. And here the judge is going to have to carefully balance the prejudicial value of the particular items of evidence against the probative value of it. I think a lot of these...

GRACE: Put Herman up, please. Put Herman up. Put him up!

HERMAN: Oh, boy.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Richard...

HERMAN: Earshot. You said earshot.

GRACE: It will be -- I know. That was a boo-boo.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Richard, it will be a cold day below when a 911 call is not allowed in front of a jury. What about it, Bremner?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, except for that when I was a prosecutor we had stock briefs that said 911 calls were admissible "excited utterances." But the fact of the matter is she`s talking about something that happened before, about the -- how the car smelled before. So it`s not your classic excited utterance where someone...

GRACE: Anne Bremner...

BREMNER: ... calls 911 -- 911...

GRACE: ... she was talking about what the car smelled like at that moment...

HERMAN: That`s coming in.

GRACE: ... when she was calling 911.

BREMNER: She said it "smelled" like. But the thing -- E-D. E-D. Smelled like...

GRACE: When she...

BREMNER: But Nancy...

GRACE: ... opened it up...

BREMNER: But Nancy...

GRACE: ... then she called 911. That`s like, I just heard a gunshot, heard, happened two seconds ago.

BREMNER: No, but the thing is...

GRACE: It`s in past tense.

BREMNER: The key is on 911 is, I`m calling because there`s a gunman at my door. I`m afraid. My children, my kid`s in the bathroom...

GRACE: Anne...

BREMNER: ... with the 6-year-old sister.

GRACE: Anne?

BREMNER: Yes?

GRACE: Just try, try to just be honest. Don`t take one side or the other. Do you really think they`re going to throw out the 91 call? Do you really believe that, as a lawyer? Put your reputation on this answer!

BREMNER: Nancy -- OK, but Nancy...

GRACE: Just answer!

BREMNER: They`re going to throw out...

GRACE: That`s a yes/no!

BREMNER: This call probably comes in. A lot of it doesn`t come in.

GRACE: OK, so I`m going to take that as a yes.

BREMNER: You can take it as a yes.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, what else did -- wait. Hold on, Ellie. Let`s take a look. Liz, see if you can scroll through some of these photos for me that they want thrown out.

Let`s see. Here is tot mom licking, or let me say, tonguing a burrito with another woman, getting groped by a shirtless young man. You know, nothing says class like urinating in a public parking lot. That one has a good chance of being thrown out. Here is tot mom -- who cares if she`s dancing with another woman. The fact is, it`s immediately after she says her daughter goes missing. Here we go. I said scroll quickly. There are more party photos. Typically, these would mean nothing to any of us, except that they are taken in the hours, the days after she says her daughter is kidnapped in a public park.

Out to Ellie Jostad. What else do they want suppressed?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, there`s a long list here. But I just want to point out one thing really quickly. I`m looking at the 911 call transcript. The words that Cindy Anthony used were "it smells" with an "S"...

GRACE: Did you hear that, Bremner?

JOSTAD: ... like a dead body.

GRACE: Did you hear that, Anne Bremner?

BREMNER: But she also used past tense in there, and that`s in the brief. And I did hear it.

GRACE: You`re not going to let it go, are you. I respect that.

BREMNER: No, I`m not.

GRACE: Go ahead, Ellie.

JOSTAD: OK. All right. So here`s the list of the items that they want kept out. They want a lot of the testimony about things that witnesses claim, George, Cindy, Lee Anthony described to them about what was going on in their house. For example, both Lee and -- both Jesse Grund, Casey`s old boyfriend, and his father claimed that Lee Anthony claimed there was actually a fight between Cindy and her mother -- or Casey and her mother, where they actually became physical. Casey was choked by her mother.

GRACE: You mean they had a physical fight?

JOSTAD: That`s right.

GRACE: Tot mom and her mother.

JOSTAD: Yes. And right before Caylee went missing.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Tell me your name, please.

CASEY ANTHONY: Casey Marie Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The face that Caylee Anthony saw in those final moments of her life was her mother`s face.

CASEY ANTHONY: I take complete and full responsibility for my actions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not that smart.

CASEY ANTHONY: Come on!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone knew that Casey lied.

CASEY ANTHONY: I know what I`m honestly up against.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was the truth we didn`t know.

LEE ANTHONY: I believe everything that my sister tells me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We all knew we didn`t believe her.

CASEY ANTHONY: I have to keep my mouth shut about how I feel!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You believe she was fabricating.

CINDY ANTHONY: I already answered the question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What can I say? You believe your child.

CASEY ANTHONY: I have no one to comfort me!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You put faith in everything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She tried to pin it on Zanny the nanny.

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m not in control over any of this!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She tries to pin it on people who don`t even exist.

CASEY ANTHONY: You`re not helping me help myself.

CINDY ANTHONY: What she told me and what I found out was two different things.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just a random question. Are there cameras in all of the rooms or just...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have no freaking clue.

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CINDY ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff -- I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What is...

CINDY ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK, what is the address that you`re calling from?

CINDY ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl! My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her! I need to find her!

911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted the baby is where?

CINDY ANTHONY: That the baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong! I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Michelle in South Carolina. Hi, Michelle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, Nancy. Thank you so much for taking my call.

GRACE: Thank you for calling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks. Your twins are beautiful, by the way.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a comment and a question.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Earlier, you said that, you know, the prosecutors are making Casey look bad, but it`s -- we have the evidence right in front of us that is showing Casey looking herself -- making herself look bad, you know, after her daughter came up missing.

My question is, since the beginning of this case, which I`ve watched, like, every single show that you`ve had on it, they constantly are talking about fairness and giving her fair trials, and you hear about now the taxpayers are going to have to pay, you know, her dream team. I just don`t understand why she just can`t take the initiative, you know, to just stand up and admit it, or at least be treated like everybody else has to be treated.

GRACE: And you know, Michelle, let me just throw this into that pot. Number one, I didn`t say the prosecutors were making her look bad. That`s what the defense is claiming the prosecutors are trying to do. I agree with you. The only one that can make you look bad is yourself, and that`s exactly what tot mom has done.

But about her standing up and admitting she did it -- her parents` home is now being foreclosed, and I wonder how much money they`ve tossed into this, good money after bad.

Ellie Jostad, about how much money do we know of, or that we -- it`s been reported that tot mom`s family has received for their stories, interviews licensing fees...

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: ... for photos? How much money?

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. Well, according to a bunch of different sources, TVNewser for one, she was paid or the family was paid or their lawyer was paid upwards $220,000 to $225,000 for an interview or to license those videos and pictures you were talking about. We also heard about another news organization that paid the family $6,500 or paid one of their representatives that money. There`s also another $5,000 interview fee that`s been tossed out there. So when you`re talking about it all together, we`re almost up to $300,000.

GRACE: And that`s that we know of, Ellie.

JOSTAD: Right. That`s correct.

GRACE: Out to you, Natisha Lance, also on the story. Natisha, didn`t tot mom`s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, just get back from a luxury cruise that they allegedly paid for with money from CBS?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s correct, Nancy. They did take a cruise. We are understanding that they did use the money from the CBS interview to go on that cruise. But in addition to that, Nancy, and particularly these photos in the blue dress, I want to point out that Casey Anthony said that she was doing her own investigating, trying to go to places that Zenaida Gonzalez was hanging out to try to find Caylee. But in the pictures, it doesn`t look like she`s doing much investigating.

GRACE: Out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, joining us out of Sacramento, California. Leonard, what do you make of Casey Anthony now claiming she`s broke and that we, the taxpayers, have to foot the bill?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, the justice system that we work under in America provides for counsel. If you`re indigent, the taxpayers have to, in a roundabout way, pay for it, not just in her case, but in...

GRACE: But do the taxpayers have to pay...

PADILLA: ... every case in America.

GRACE: ... for a million-dollar defense? Where`s it say...

PADILLA: It`ll be more than a million dollars.

GRACE: ... that in the Constitution?

PADILLA: I can tell you it`s going to be upwards of $3 million by the time they get the appeals and everything done.

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CINDY ANTHONY: I think she fabricated the stories because she didn`t have Caylee with her, and she knew if she came home without Caylee, there`d be a red flag.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that red flag would mean that something was probably wrong.

CINDY ANTHONY: Something happened, right.

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CASEY ANTHONY: I just wanted to let everyone know that I`m sorry for what I did.

CINDY ANTHONY: I still believe my daughter.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: I believe in my daughter.

CINDY ANTHONY: You`re not telling me where she`s at.

CASEY ANTHONY: Because I don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) know where she`s at! Are you kidding me?

CINDY ANTHONY: My husband`s a deputy sheriff years ago. And the first thing he thought was human decomposition. I`m a nurse. I thought human decomposition.

GEORGE CASEY: I got within three feet of my daughter`s car, and the worst odor you could possibly smell in this world.

CINDY ANTHONY: My daughter may have some mistruths out there or half truths, but she is not a murderer.

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GRACE: Well, it all comes to a head in court. I have with me right now about two inches worth of legal filings where tot mom`s defense, her fleet of defense attorneys, want to throw out over 200 pieces of the state`s evidence against her. And not only this, this one little piece of paper that says "application for criminal indigent status." Forget about the fact that she and her family have raked in over a quarter million dollars for their photos, their interviews, their stories. Now they want you and me to pay the legal bill that they estimate will be $1 million, bottom figure.

Out to the lines. Diane, New York. Hi, Diane.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s an honor to speak with you.

GRACE: Likewise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re one of my...

GRACE: Likewise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t -- I missed you last night because my power went out.

GRACE: No!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And I was devastated because I never miss a show. And your twins are beautiful.

GRACE: Well, you missed a lot because Misty Croslin was in court.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, really?

GRACE: Yes. So what do you think about tot mom and her defense motions?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I do have a question.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I think, first of all, the pictures speak for themselves. It`s definitely not what -- a mom of a missing child or a grieving mother definitely would not be acting that way. But I have a question about the tape that was put over Caylee`s mouth.

GRACE: OK. What?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was wondering if you`d agree. I do believe that she killed her, whether accidentally or on purpose. I think the tape was put there after she was dead. I think she had a moment of remorse, and I know this may sound strange, but I think she probably thought about maybe insects or whatever crawling in her mouth because the red heart that was put there. I don`t think that that was just done without feeling some kind of remorse. And I don`t...

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CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: I just wanted to let everyone know that I`m sorry for what I did.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony`s defense team on a mission to repair her reputation. Asking that all hearsay and gossip about their client be excluded from trial. The stealing.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: Taking money from my wife`s purse. She forged a deposit slip for $4,400.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Check number 146 from her ex-best friend`s check book. Investigators say this is one of the checks she used to clean out Amy Huizenga`s checking account.

LEE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S BROTHER: She`s like, well, maybe this should have be done a long time ago. Stolen money from mom, I`ve been a bad daughter, you know, I`ve been -- she said, I stole money from you.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And then there`s Casey Anthony. The alleged party girl.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Huizenga tells investigators, "I know she had started smoking more pot than she ever had." The statement about Casey referred to mid-June, right around the time Caylee was last seen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So many text messages Casey received and also that she sent out. And those were her favorite topics. Who she wanted to have sex with, drinking and smoking pot. That seemed to be the things she was concentrating on mostly. Not about Caylee.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And the alleged lies.

C. ANTHONY: I still have that feeling, that presence. I know that she`s alive. I do not know where she is. The last person that I saw her with is Zenaida.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We could all tell that from the last couple years, Casey is a very effective liar.

C. ANTHONY: I would not let anything happen to my daughter. I made the mistake of trusting another person with her. That`s it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think I`d use the word diabolical to describe the way she lies.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Attorney Jose Baez says Casey has suffered the public` hatred and that law enforcement or the state attorney`s office has successfully tried a homicide case against the defendant in the public eye.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight back out to Ellie Jostad. Ellie, aside from the party photos of her out partying, scantily clad, significant as it`s immediately after she says her little girl has been kidnapped.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right.

GRACE: In a public park. Aside from that, aside from the 911 call, her own mother, Cindy Anthony, says that tot mom`s car smells like a dead body. What else do they want suppressed?

JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, there`s a bunch of statements here and a lot of them have to do with Casey Anthony being a liar. Various people say that she lied or that Cindy told me she`d been telling lies. Lee Anthony told me she`d been telling lies. George Anthony said she`d been telling lies.

GRACE: What about the fight? The alleged fight. Fistfight between grandmother, Cindy Anthony and tot mom Casey Anthony.

JOSTAD: Mm-hmm. Well this, according to Jesse Grund, the ex- boyfriend, and his father, the information originally came from Lee Anthony. He said that just a couple of nights or actually the night before, I believe, Caylee went missing that Cindy and Casey got into a very heated argument so heated that it actually became physical. That Cindy put her hands around Casey Anthony`s neck.

GRACE: Out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California, who put up the bond for tot mom to get out of jail. She was later rearrested.

Leonard, what do you know about a physical confrontation between Casey Anthony and grandmother Cindy Anthony?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: It took place the evening of the 15th which was Father`s Day, and Cindy and the baby had come back from visiting Cindy`s parents. And at that time the parents told her that Casey had stolen money out of her account.

When she got into the discussion with Casey, Casey tried to kind of write it off as, no, it didn`t take place, somebody`s lying. And Cindy just lost it and went after her. And basically the statements that Jesse and Lee made were the same as what I heard from them.

And that was that the confrontation got so heated that Cindy actually knocked Casey down and had her, was strangling her and except for the, you know, interference of -- I think it was George at the time, she was trying to hurt Casey.

GRACE: Now, Leonard -- Leonard Padilla, is this just before or just after Caylee goes missing?

PADILLA: It was the evening right before. See, George says he last saw the child on the 16th around noon.

GRACE: Right.

PADILLA: And we`re of the opinion, as some other people are, that Casey gathered up her child that night and left that night. She was never there over night. She left that night and George did not see that child the next day. George was lying about that.

GRACE: Back to Diane in New York`s question about the tape. The duct tape being placed over the child`s mouth. Postmortem. After death. In kind of a loving gesture.

I don`t see it, Ellyn Gamberg, a psychotherapist joining us out of New York. What about you?

ELLYN GAMBERG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Nancy, I think that there is such behavior in total here that -- that is just ---irrelevant to the photos, the lying, the party. It was hard to believe that after all of that that duct tape would be anything significant.

GRACE: I don`t see it as any type of loving gesture. Unleash the lawyers. Sue Moss, Richard Herman, Anne Bremner.

And another thing, Sue Moss, if that was used by the defense as some type of a loving gesture, tot mom would have to admit she was there when the baby died.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Oh, absolutely. I mean, why should this woman start being a loving mother now, after she killed her child? I don`t see it.

GRACE: What about it, Anne Bremner?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, I think that right now there`s no evidence to connect her to the sticker and there are fingerprints of other people on some of the evidence on the child.

GRACE: No evidence to connect her to the duct tape? Did you just say that?

BREMNER: They have forensic experts who I`m sure will opine that there`s not a connection to be made and there are other people`s fingerprints on the duct tape that are not explained, and they don`t belong to people in the family.

So, you know, there are all kinds of things the defense can do in this case. And what they`re doing right now, as you know, Nancy, is like surgery. They`re getting rid of all the bad statements.

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BREMNER: And getting rid of all of the bad pictures --

GRACE: All sort of things -- like what sorts of things? What can they claim? Because she gave a statement that her child was taken in plain, broad daylight at a park, then she gave another statement she dropped the child off at Sawgrass Apartments.

You know --

BREMNER: No, no, Nancy --

GRACE: You can`t survive giving conflicting statements to police.

BREMNER: No. What I was talking about were the statements we`re talking about today. All of it hearsay statements. Scores of hearsay statements that they`re going to try and keep out. And I think there`s a lot of great arguments they can make.

And so they`re going to try and keep out all kinds of things until they get to the nut of the case in terms of the defense.

GRACE: OK. What about it, Richard?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Anne is right, Nancy. I mean, this is not a TV show or a miniseries.

GRACE: Well, come up with your own thought. Don`t -- don`t piggyback Anne is right.

HERMAN: Well, if she had been right here on the law --

GRACE: Come on, Herman.

HERMAN: Nancy, come on, bias --

GRACE: She`s not right on the law.

HERMAN: She is right on the law.

GRACE: No. Those statements are coming in. All right? Especially the 911 call.

HERMAN: The 911 call, I absolutely agree with you, is absolutely coming in.

GRACE: Then why is Bremner right? You don`t -- you know what, never mind. Hold on.

Back to you. Ellie Jostad, we just heard Anne Bremner opine, as she says, that the duct tape cannot be traced back to tot mom. Now, Ellie, isn`t it true that this type of duct tape, believe it`s Hinkle duct tape.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: Is extremely, let me say, scarce. It`s not rare.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: But it`s scarce. It`s difficult to find. And isn`t it true, Ellie, that this duct tape was found in the Anthony home?

JOSTAD: Yes. That`s right, Nancy. According to the reports we`ve received, this type of tape matched tape that was at the house. Now what they said, it was either from the same roll or it was manufactured in the same way.

But they also provided tons of paperwork about the stores that sell this tape. Most of the big-box stores out there like Wal-Mart, Home Depot, don`t sell it. So it`s a hard kind of tape to find and it was also on a gas can in the Anthony home.

GRACE: I want to go out to Dr. Joshua Perper, chief medical examiner, Broward County. Author of "When to Call the Doctor." He is highly esteemed in his field. And it is our honor to have him on with us tonight.

Dr. Perper, today the state really pulled one over on us. Everybody was screaming, please, show us the DNA. They gave us the actual graphs of the DNA which looks like an electrocardiogram or a heartbeat.

Also I remember the first time I brought in DNA at trial and I told the scientist bring it in. I want to show it to the jury. I was shocked. It looked like unrolled negatives that had gone bad. Showing us this, it doesn`t tell us a thing about what DNA proves.

So, in this case, Dr. Perper, what role do you see DNA playing?

DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER, AUTHOR OF "WHEN TO CALL THE DOCTOR": Well, in my opinion, it`s not going to be of highly probative value because if it`s going to be found on evidence close to the child the mother took care of the child so she`s going to claim that those fingerprints were there beforehand.

So it`s very difficult to see on what kind of piece of evidence this kind of matching of DNA versus the DNA of the mother is going to be helpful because of the close proximity in the care or the alleged care of the child by the mother. So it`s very unlikely that --

GRACE: Right.

PERPER: -- it`s going to play any significant role.

GRACE: Well put, Dr. Perper. Except, very quickly, Ellie Jostad, if DNA turns up on that homemade knockout drug.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: Any syringes beside the remains.

JOSTAD: Yes.

GRACE: Many people believe that was used to knock little Caylee out. If there is tot mom`s DNA on that, there`s no legitimate reason it should be there.

JOSTAD: Right. Well, the big bombshell we`ve been waiting for is DNA evidence either on that duct tape or on what you explained the syringe. That would definitely look bad for the defense. But so far we don`t have that in the documents.

GRACE: Chloroform. Chloroform. Homemade chloroform.

As we go to break, happy 18th birthday to friend, Stephanie. She is a freshman at Purdue. What a smile. Studying pre-law, dreams of being a lawyer. Never misses the show.

Happy birthday, Stephanie.

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CPL. ERIC EDWARDS, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Do you have any interest in helping us?

C. ANTHONY: I`ve had interest in helping law enforcement from the beginning. Unfortunately my hands were literally tied and I was put in a position where someone`s trying to trick a confession out of me.

EDWARDS: Well, I don`t want to -- no, don`t --

C. ANTHONY: And that`s not going to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Baez, we Mirandized her as -- at 4:22. She invoked. Quit the finger pointing, OK?

L. ANTHONY: I`m trying to think, does she really do it only to better herself or just she would just say white lies just to do it? I`m really trying to think now. Because sometimes it seems like she lies just to lie.

JESSE GRUND, CASEY ANTHONY`S EX-BOYFRIEND: I think he may have said that I drowned Caylee. I think that`s what they`re to say.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: That you intentionally drowned Caylee?

GRUND: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: Where was that supposed to have happened?

GRUND: I think in the pool in the backyard.

C. ANTHONY: I as a mom, I know in my gut, there`s the feeling as a parent, you know certain things about your child. You can feel that connection. And I still have that feeling. That presence. I know that she`s alive.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Witnesses say Casey and Cindy had a terrible fight over money Casey stole from Cindy`s mother. The California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla who bonded Casey out of jail says Lee told them Cindy tried to choke Casey on Father`s Day. And that`s when she took off with Caylee. Cindy denies it.

GRUND: It got into a very heated argument which turned physical and Cindy started choking Casey.

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GRACE: Straight out to the lines, Julie in Florida. Hi, Julie.

JULIE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hey, Nancy, love your book. It is awesome.

GRACE: Thank you.

JULIE: I have a quick comment and a question. First thing, good chance that her parents could never sell that house, that that baby may have been killed in. So it`s probably easier for them to let it go into foreclosure. And they`re going to get a bunch of, you know, book deal, movie deal, money, anyways, eventually, most likely because of all the press on this.

And secondly, I`ve noticed from watching a lot of these defendants at their arraignments in court hearings, a particular habit of (INAUDIBLE), especially of Casey Anthony, even before she was arrested with her fake tears and interviews. She was always gazing down like she`s remembering something of what she did.

Have you noticed that, too?

GRACE: I always noticed her gazing down, for instance, in this photo we were just showing you, the video, covering her face with her hair. Then there were other times she would put it back in a ponytail but continue to look down.

And, you know, not that I think the lawyers are experts in nonverbal communication, but Sue Moss, Richard Herman, Anne Bremner, when you -- when I would get a defendant on the stand and they couldn`t look at me and answer, I would flat-out say, why can`t you look at me?

Why can`t you look at the jury and answer? Why do you have to look down? Why do you have to look over at your attorney? Is he telling you the answer?

I mean, when you can`t look up and look around at people in the courtroom, to me, that`s significant. Sue?

MOSS: Oh, absolutely. And the reason why she`s looking down is because most of that time she was pretending to cry but no real tears were coming down. She was looking down so the cameras couldn`t capture her in yet another lie.

GRACE: You know, Richard Herman, don`t you hate it when your client tries and tries to cry and then nothing comes out?

HERMAN: When my clients is trying to cry they do cry. This is -- she`s facing the death penalty, Nancy --

GRACE: Because you punch them in the ribs with that elbow you`ve got.

HERMAN: No. They`re -- she`s facing the death penalty here. This is very serious case. And so what are you going to try to interpret every gesture she makes? I don`t even know what Sue Moss is talking about here. It`s --

GRACE: OK. Richard Herman --

HERMAN: It`s ridiculous.

GRACE: That was an excellent -- I didn`t know you could dance so well. The way you just danced out of answering that question.

Anne Bremner, can you just be straight? When you can`t look somebody in the eye and answer and you can`t look around the courtroom and look people in the face, to me that is suggestive.

BREMNER: It`s a problem when I`m defending somebody.

GRACE: It`s a problem.

BREMNER: It`s a problem but I`ll tell you, Nancy, everybody wrecks differently. You`ve heard that a million times.

GRACE: Oh lord.

BREMNER: It`s absolutely true. It`s true.

GRACE: OK. You know, no show with you would have been complete if you hadn`t thrown that out there.

Back to you, Kathi Belich, with WFTV. Kathi, tell me what else is happening in the case right now. I know the defense wants so much of the state`s evidence thrown out of court. I don`t think the judge is going to do it. They want her declared indigent so we, the taxpayers, have to pay for her defense. What else am I missing?

KATHI BELICH, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE WFTV, COVERING STORY: Well, there`s a hearing next week about the indigence issue. The judge will decide whether to find her indigent, whether the taxpayers will pay for the rest of the costs of her defense.

We have a deadline ticking here. The new evidence that has surfaced, that`s under investigation. Prosecutors asked the judge for permission to keep it secret from the defense. The judge agreed to do that 30 days.

That deadline is coming up in about 3 weeks, 2 1/2 weeks from now. If prosecutors want to extend it they have to justify to the judge why they think that needs to be extended.

Also, there`s more than 1,000 pages of new evidence that the defense has recently received that we should be getting soon as well. Some of it concerning a very troubled woman who`s trying to edge her way into this case and some other evidence as well.

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ANTHONY LAZZARO, CASEY ANTHONY`S EX-BOYFRIEND: She came in and she`s goes, I hope you`re rich because Casey is going to take all your money and leave you high and dry. And then Casey said shut up and then she stormed outside and the grandmother followed her.

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CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: I have a 3-year-old that`s been missing for a month.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: A 3-year-old?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Have you reported that?

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m trying to do that now, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. What did the person do that you need arrested?

CINDY ANTHONY: My daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: For what?

CINDY ANTHONY: For stealing an auto and stealing money.

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GRACE: Not to mention the granddaughter that was missing, 2-year-old Caylee.

Out to Sergeant Scott Haines, sheriff`s officer, Santa Rosa County, Florida. Isn`t it true that this 911 call meets all the criteria to be admitted at trial? It`s your specialty, you get 911 calls every day.

SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA COUNTY, FL.: Absolutely. Law enforcement agencies are constantly answering 911 calls. In Florida, there`s three requirements to meet for an excited utterance, and this call meets every one to a T.

Mrs. Anthony, first element she was required to witness something that was so shocking or startling to her that the utterance took place. When you smell a smell like that coming from your daughter`s vehicle and you believe that that is possibly your dead granddaughter, that is something that is startling enough to cause you to say things such as that.

And the second thing, she was under stress from that event, which is the second requirement because it`s clear in her voice. And the third requirement is that she didn`t have time to contrive or misrepresent that.

So I think there`s not going to be any issues at all getting that 911 call in. And I also don`t think -- I think that they`re going to be very lucky if any of this gets withheld in court. I think they have a good shot at getting it all into court.

GRACE: Sergeant Scott Haines out of Pensacola, Florida, the same jurisdiction there in Florida at tot mom`s trial. Florida law has a lot of nuances other jurisdictions don`t have.

Thank you, Sergeant.

Quickly, Jeanette in Florida, what`s your question?

JEANETTE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hey, Nancy, you`re one of a kind. God bless you and God bless your children.

GRACE: Thank you.

JEANETTE: They are huggable.

GRACE: Thank you, love. What`s your question?

JEANETTE: OK, my question is this, Nancy. The video that they show in Target, her having (INAUDIBLE) that time, buying the beer and --

GRACE: Right, right.

JEANETTE: OK. Does that go in play to the jury? Can they show that to the jury? Is there any --

GRACE: You know what? Here`s my theory, Jeanette in Florida, that it will come in, only because that happened during the time tot mom says she`s looking for Caylee. So I guess she was looking in the beer section of Target. So yes, I think it will come in.

Everybody, let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Jeremy Burnett, 27, Mineral City, Ohio. Awarded the Purple Heart, also served the Navy. Lost his life in Germany with his family by his side.

An organ donor, saved the life of a 51-year-old. Loved fishing, hunting. Leaves behind parents, David and Michelle, stepmother Angie. Four sisters and one brother. Widow Stephanie. A member of the Texas National Guard.

Jeremy Barnett, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. And a special good night from Texas and Georgia friends, Emily, Lori, John, Sharon, John.

Everyone, aren`t they a good-looking bunch?

I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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