Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Cindy Anthony testifies on May 31, 2011 in Casey Anthony trial (videos)

On Tuesday, May 31, 2011, Cindy Anthony delivered dramatic testimony in the Casey Anthony trial.  The testimony was emotional and overwhelming at times.  You may see her previous testimony given on Saturday, May 28, 2011 below 31st.

Cindy Anthony testifies : MyFoxORLANDO.com

Thursday, May 26, 2011

Casey Anthony in “Hot Body” contest four days after Caylee’s death (Nancy Grace transcripts, videos)

Casey Anthony in “Hot Body” contest four days after Caylee’s death (Nancy Grace transcripts, videos)

We never had a date of death in the murder of Caylee Anthony; that is, not until the Casey Anthony trial officially began.  Casey Anthony’s defense attorney stated that Casey Anthony and her father, George Anthony found Caylee Anthony dead on June 16, 2008.  This is the first, established date of death in the case.  Though many may argue whether or not Caylee Anthony truly died, the likelihood that Casey Anthony is telling the truth about the date of Caylee’s death is great.  Most people, when they lie, tend to reveal bits and pieces of the truth within the lie.  It is more than likely that Caylee Anthony did die on June 16, 2008; and now, her mother, Casey Anthony has confirmed that date to be the truth.  So then why on June 20, 2008, was Casey Anthony participating in a “Hot Body” contest at the nightclub Fusion?

The idea that Casey Anthony doesn’t know how to process her feelings isn’t going to cut it for many people.  There has never been any indication of Casey Anthony as a grieving mother; someone who misses her daughter so much that she just breaks down and sobs.

No; those emotions have been reserved for Caylee Anthony’s grandparents.  George Anthony, now accused by infamous party girl and booze loving Casey of sexual abuse, continues to break down on the stand as he talks about his granddaughter.  Cindy Anthony, though a witness in the case, held presumably Caylee Anthony’s teddy bear, and hid her face throughout much of the trial.  

Casey Anthony has yet to ever speak publicly about the loss of her daughter; or even that she loved her.
Nancy Grace covered the Casey Anthony case last night on her show.  You may read the full transcript below.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping, placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple bagging little Caylee like she`s trash. The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way.

Tot mom`s lawyer tells a stunned courtroom she has nothing to do with Caylee`s death and disappearance, but instead blames her own father, former police detective George Anthony, claiming he shows up holding 2-year-old Caylee`s dead body and that he and he alone disposes of little Caylee, that he never called 911, police and ambulance, but instead that her father hides Caylee`s body, leaving it to rot. Tot mom then claims George sexually molests her since age 8, sending her to grade school after forcing her into oral sex.

And another wild theory emerges from the defense, tot mom claiming meter reader Roy Kronk actually steals Caylee`s remains, hiding them in secret, redepositing them to collect the reward.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, a parade of tot mom`s live-in lovers, roommates, so-called friends take the stand, giving the jury a bird`s-eye view into tot mom`s hard party girl lifestyle, complete with boozy late nights, hot body contests, living and loving the single life. If this jury expected a grieving mom, forget about it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee Anthony died on June 16th, 2008, when she drowned in her family`s swimming pool.

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: Someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool. (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have anything to say about the new theory that Caylee might be dead, it might have been an accident?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you dispose of the body of your granddaughter?

GEORGE ANTHONY: No, I did not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I asked her, where -- you know, I haven`t seen Caylee in a while. You know, where is she?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she ever tell you that her daughter was missing?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That her daughter had been kidnapped?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That she was out looking for her daughter?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she ask you for help in trying find her?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ever appeared worried about where Caylee was?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were with the defendant at Fusion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was in a couple of our contests.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hot body contest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was in a hot body contest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How would you describe her demeanor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She always seemed like she was having a good time. I mean, she`s not an introvert by any means.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anything Casey could do to protect her child, she did.


GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, a parade of tot mom`s live-in lovers, roommates so-called friends take the stand, giving the jury a bird`s eye-view into tot mom`s hard party lifestyle complete with boozy late nights, hot body contests, living and loving the single life. If this jury expected a grieving mom, forget about it.

Significance, relevance? All this partying, the hot body contest, working as a shot girl at a bar, the mini-skirts, the push-up bras all during the weeks, the days, literally the hours after little Caylee goes missing.

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," in court today. Everybody, we are camped right outside the Orlando courthouse. We`ve all been in court all day today to bring you the latest tonight. Jean, what can you tell me about today`s lineup?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, you`re right, young people were the witnesses on the stand, people that Casey Anthony knew. They talked about her at Fusion. They talked about on June 20th, days after Caylee went missing, that she participated in the hot body contest, that she was in charge of the shot girls. And the jury got the see some of those party pictures. They also focused on Casey Anthony`s demeanor before and after Caylee went missing, that she was always happy and jovial, never sad, never angry, no confrontations with anybody.

GRACE: Everyone, we have just received in exclusive video of little Caylee on her 2nd birthday. These are home videos of Caylee. Take a look. Here you see a pool party in the Anthonys` yard. This is right beside their pool we`re hearing so much about. There`s little Caylee. Beautiful.

To the right, you`ll see tot mom. There`s Cindy taking care of Caylee. There`s tot mom in the white T-shirt to the right. Notice it`s Cindy taking care of Caylee.

How many times do you think George and Cindy have played this video over and over and over, looking at some of the very last images of Caylee? And from what we are learning now, evidence in this video and others like it, the feud, the power struggle between Cindy Anthony and tot mom.

Back to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent for "In Session." I don`t think it was much of a feud on Cindy`s side. I know after this party, tot mom complained bitterly that her mother, Caylee`s grandmother, took over, in her words, and was very resentful about it.

But you know, Jean, that`s what happens. When you don`t raise your own child, when you let somebody else change the dirty diapers and change the sheets at 2:00 o`clock in the morning and dress them and put them into their swimsuit and their swim dipes (ph) and put the suntan lotion on and feed them every day and make sure they take their vitamins, that`s who becomes the mother. I don`t care who the biological mother is. That`s who becomes the mother, Jean Casarez, and that is why tot mom was resentful of Cindy because she was not mothering Caylee. Cindy was.

CASAREZ: Well, there was one testimony today by a young woman who was the girlfriend of a roommate of Tony Lazzaro`s. She said she went to the front door of the apartment. Little Caylee answered the door. She saw Casey go into Tony Lazzaro`s apartment. She went out on the balcony, and she said, I was concerned. I didn`t want to leave because little Caylee was out on that balcony all by herself.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Linda Kenney Baden, former attorney for Casey Anthony, tot mom, renowned defense attorney, Tom Luka, former attorney for Lee Anthony, joining us out of Orlando, John Burris, defense attorney, San Francisco, Kirby Clements, former prosecutor turned defense attorney, Atlanta.

Linda Kenney Baden, weigh in.

LINDA KENNEY BADEN, FMR. DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: Hi, Nancy. Well, just before we went on the air, Nancy, there was a bombshell. There was a woman who was the roommate who also testified that she rode in Casey`s car after the 16th and there was no smell.

So you know, we talk about theories, but you know, the prosecution has a lot of theories, too. All we really know is that there was a tragic death here. And there`s no denying that. There`s a tragic death. It`s a tragedy for the family. The question is, is it accident? Is it manslaughter? Is it homicide?

GRACE: OK. Just hold on. That`s not all that we know.

BADEN: For you, I will hold on forever!


GRACE: Thank you, Linda. That`s not all that we know. Jean Casarez, let`s talk about what Linda Kenney Baden just said, the woman who was a witness in court earlier today that was in the car. What day was she in the car, Jean?

CASAREZ: It would have been mid-June, I would say. But it was -- it was a bombshell in the courtroom when we heard that she and others were driving in the car, they didn`t smell anything. Another challenge for the prosecution, Nancy -- witness after witness said that Casey was a wonderful mother. They saw her with Caylee before Caylee suddenly disappeared.

GRACE: You know, to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. In light of the fact that we know there is scientific evidence of chloroform in tot mom`s trunk, that we know that there is a post-mortem hair from Caylee`s head in her trunk, what difference does it make if a witness was in the car the day Caylee was murdered or the day after Caylee was murdered and did not smell decomposition?

How do I know tot mom didn`t put the body in one place and then move it to the trunk? All I know is, from the scientific evidence the state has previewed to us, that that body was in the trunk. What difference does it make when she put the body there?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Oh, I agree. This isn`t about somebody driving around in the car on the day that Caylee disappeared. This is about the failure to report. This is about the 31 days that went by before anybody realized that Caylee was missing. This is about the litany of lies that she told the investigators. This is about the aberrant behavior during that 31 days, And then finally, this is about discovering little Caylee and all of the evidence that seems to tie her to the family home.

GRACE: To Thomas Luka, a very well-known lawyer in the Orlando area. He is representing Lee in this case -- Lee, who has also been dragged through the mud, tot mom alluding that he molested her.

And let me point out to everybody, DNA tests were run on Caylee, and Lee or George Anthony are not the father. Thomas, is Lee trying to just function under the radar during all this? What do you make so far of both the state and the defense strategy?

THOMAS LUKA, ATTORNEY FOR LEE ANTHONY: Well, I can tell you Mr. Anthony is looking forward to having his day in court and testifying, I believe for both the state and the defense.

As far as the state`s case, they`re going about it in a very methodical way that I would expect. However, I did not expect the -- probably the boldest defense strategy I`ve ever heard before, and I think that`s what we have here. Now, whether they can prove it or not, that`s -- we have to wait and see what happens later on in this trial.

GRACE: You are seeing exclusive video we obtained of Caylee`s 2nd birthday, this child`s life cut short.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we`re going to play this game, then I`m going to play a game.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I wish I could have been a better dad and better grandpa, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you dispose of the body of your granddaughter?

GEORGE ANTHONY: No, I did not.

CASEY ANTHONY: You`ve been a great dad and you`ve been the best grandfather. Don`t for a second think otherwise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It all began when Casey was 8 years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately.

CASEY ANTHONY: You and Mom have been the best grandparents. Caylee`s been so lucky!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you obtain duct tape from your shed or garage and place it over the nose and mouth of Caylee Anthony?

GEORGE ANTHONY: No, I did not.

CASEY ANTHONY: I can`t even put into words how glad I am that she`s had both of you!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something`s not right with this girl.


GRACE: We are taking your calls. Also on the stand today, after a vicious in-court fight by the defense trying to bar the witness from the stand, Brian Burner. Now, as you recall, Brian Burner is the neighbor from whom tot mom borrowed a shovel, borrowed a shovel in the days after Caylee goes missing.

What is the significance of Brian Burner, Natisha Lance?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, it was just a few days after June 16th when Casey Anthony went next door to the neighbor. She borrowed the shovel. But that`s not all. Brian Burner also said that he saw Casey Anthony on two different occasions with her car backed into the garage. Now, this is significant because he had never seen Casey with her car backed into the garage ever before.

And also, when she borrowed that shovel, he said that she had it for about an hour. It didn`t look as if there was any mud on it. Casey Anthony didn`t look dirty or anything like that. But he also said that Casey asked to borrow the shovel to dig up some bamboo shoots that were in the back yard.

GRACE: And of course, another wacky theory emerges from the defense that utility meter (SIC) Roy Kronk actually stole Caylee`s remains, buried there in a makeshift pet cemetery in the woods, stole them, hid them in secret, then went back out, replaced them there in the woods so he could collect the reward.

John Burris, you`ve come up with some pretty creative and successful defenses before. What`s your theory on what Kronk did with the remains, put them in a jar on his coffee table? Come on! That`s crazy.

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I have to tell you that is the most bizarre story I have ever heard from a defense point of view. I don`t know why the defense is making that particular allegation. I can understand the others in terms of a desire, but this one doesn`t make sense at all, and it doesn`t advance his case at all because at the end of the day, the case is about his client and the family. But to put this guy involved in it doesn`t make any sense at all to me, so...

GRACE: Put Burris back up. John, isn`t it true, when you try a case, you have got to gain and you have got to deserve the jury`s respect and trust? You have to.

BURRIS: Absolutely. Absolutely.

GRACE: Because once you lose it, anything you say means nothing. And this wacky theory about George, Lee and now Roy Kronk, it makes everything else they say tainted with the same brush.

BURRIS: I don`t think that that`s necessarily true because I think that what is really happening here is that he`s trying to at least offer some degree of mitigation to this jury early to account for maybe this girl`s bizarre behavior. And he`s really trying to offer a way to keep this case from being a murder case and maybe down to a manslaughter of some kind. So that`s what I think is happening here.

GRACE: What about it, Kirby Clements?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely right. I think that does make sense. I mean, I do think that defense is a little bit crazy. But at the same time, you know, you do have the guy wandering around the property, finding things, so they`ve got to make some hay of it. But I`m a bit loathe to use that -- that meter reader defense.

But I think that the defense is doing actually -- they`ve raised some issues I think are necessary to raise. And I also want to point out, and I -- I think you asked somebody else to address it. What about that father and how he acted on that videotape when they mentioned the swimming pool, how he snapped and went crazy? That adds some credence to the defense in this case to me.

GRACE: No. I disagree. I think that it shows it`s absolutely untrue. As a matter of fact, as we go out, Liz, let`s hear the sound of tot mom behind bars when it`s brought up about the pool accident theory.


CASEY ANTHONY: How are you feeling? (INAUDIBLE) None of us. Lee`s been sick. Dad`s blown up at the media.

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I heard.

CASEY ANTHONY: Someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool. That`s the newest story out there.

CINDY ANTHONY: Surprise, surprise. It`s very hard.

CASEY ANTHONY: Well, yes, I -- trust me, I know that. Someone just sent me some of the stuff that`s been on line, comments that people have been leaving of off certain articles, I guess, that have been written, and it was very upsetting last night to see that.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look what you`ve done! Your mother will never forgive you.

CASEY ANTHONY: Can someone let me -- come on!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever heard of the Fusion Ultra?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that she would come home drunk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A picture tells a thousand words.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was partying and having a good time, drinking (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was she dancing?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did the defendant participate in the hot body contest?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, sir. It was just a thin knit dress. It was a bluish color.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any emotion to you that would indicate that she was upset about anything?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was she considered like a big sister to the girls, or something like that?



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She always made sure that we were OK, that we were taken care of and that we weren`t in harm`s way at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You went to Blockbuster with her that night. Do you -- can you -- how would you describe her demeanor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The way she was every day.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Happy. Happy to see me, having a grand old time.


GRACE: In court today, everyone, we are hearing a string of lovers, friends, roommates detailing tot mom`s life, hard-partying lifestyle in the days and weeks following Caylee`s disappearance.

We are live here outside the Orlando courthouse bringing you everything that happened in court today and taking your calls live. To Robyn Walensky with WDBO. All of these witnesses lead up to Tony Lazzaro. What is the significance of the roommates` testimony, for instance? What did they -- what kernel of knowledge did they provide to the jury?

ROBYN WALENSKY, WDBO: Nancy, there was a theme among the three friends, the three roommates. They all said that Casey Anthony was acting normal, that she was a regular 22-year-old girl, friendly, outgoing, playing house, doing laundry, cooking, but that she was acting normal, that she wasn`t distraught, she wasn`t depressed, and she wasn`t angry. In fact, she was out partying at clubs here in Orlando.

GRACE: You know, Jean, contrary to the party girl story, we also hear today from Brian Burner, the neighbor who loans the shovel -- interesting. He says the week of June 16th -- now, he`s been living next to tot mom and the Anthonys for years and years. Never has she come over to borrow anything. She comes the week Caylee goes missing to borrow a shovel for the first time ever, keeps it for a while, brings it back. Who`s to say the body wasn`t hidden somewhere else and then put into the car trunk?

CASAREZ: There was a computer search for the word "shovel" done in March, March of 2008, three months before she asked for the shovel.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Came around this corner and went back. She saw George Anthony holding Caylee in his arms.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I would have known something happened to Caylee, we wouldn`t be here today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You will hear stories about a family that is incredibly dysfunctional. Casey was raised to lie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was very vocal child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are what we are because of who brought us into this world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee did not drown in the pool, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your mother will never forgive you and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your freaking life. All you have to do is follow the duct tape and it will point to you who put Caylee`s remains where they ultimately ended up.


GRACE: Today the state sets the scene for the days and weeks following little Caylee`s disappearance. You`re seeing exclusive video we obtained of little Caylee`s second birthday. It was a pool party at George and Cindy`s home.

Somebody singing to Caylee, serenading her for her birthday. This is to the mom in the white t-shirt. This is a porch right next to the above ground pool.

The pool the defense claimed the life of little Caylee. The state says, no, she was murdered. We are taking your calls, out to Diane nah in Washington. Hi, Diana.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via telephone): Hi. My question is, if, like her attorney says it was an accidental drowning and she should have called 911, would there have been an autopsy performed right away and that would have told, you know did she accidentally drown?

Is that why she`s going to all these elaborate lies and did all that because she didn`t want to see -- have anybody else see what else might have been going on with that child. here was she all the other days she wasn`t with that made-up nanny, who had her and where was she and what was going on with her?

GRACE: I think, Diana, that the babysitter was actually homemade chloroform. I`ve got to tell you something, Diana. I thought I had a good knowledge of the case, but yesterday when the state started with their opening statements and they outlined everything, I was stunned at the elaborate lies tot mom told her mother.

Because Cindy kept going where`s Caylee, when am I going to see Caylee? First, she said she was at a friend`s house then she said the nanny had to go into the hospital and she had to drive to Jacksonville. And then she said they were staying with the friends in Jacksonville.

Then she said she had to go out of town for Universal and they were staying in a hotel. I mean, the lies just got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger until finally Cindy Anthony would not be denied her granddaughter any longer and went looking for tot mom, and that`s when it all hit the fan.

As to the autopsy, yes, you`re right. If the body had been obtained immediately, there would have been an autopsy. I guarantee you there`s no way that George Anthony would not have tried to revive Caylee, would not have called paramedics, 911. From what I can gather, Caylee is the love of his life. No doubt in my mind.

I want to go out to Ellie Jostad. On the stand today also we see Brian Burner. What struck me about the neighbor`s testimony, he said he lived there for years in their neighborhood and never once in all this time had tot mom ever borrowed anything, that he noticed the week of the 16th, Caylee last seen alive on the 16th, that tot mom comes over twice during that week, I believe he said, both when her parents were gone to work.

She comes back home. Her parents think she`s somewhere else. She backs into the garage. He had never seen her back in the garage before. She always parked in the driveway. She backs into the garage, comes, gets the shovel, leaves, goes back in the garage. Then later it becomes a question in his mind, was she wearing the same thing when she returned the shovel that she was wearing when she borrowed the shovel?

He cannot say that she was. What does this mean to you and why are these dates so significant, Ellie Jostad?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, Nancy, this is right after Caylee is last seen alive and it`s before anybody knows that she`s missing. The big question has always been how, if she`s guilty, did Casey Anthony dispose of the body?

The shovel seems like a key part of it. He says she came over, she borrowed the shovel, she said it was to dig up these roots, these bamboo shuts in the back yard that hurt little Caylee`s feet when she walked around.

He said she had the shovel for about an hour and returned it. Nancy, they tested the shovel, they didn`t find any DNA evidence. They found a hair, but it didn`t appear to be related to this case at all. It`s unclear what role that shovel played.

GRACE: And, also, to Robyn Walensky, WDBO, we now believe there`s a very strong possibility tot mom will have to take a stand. Take a listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey was raised to lie. This child at 8 years old learned to lie immediately. She could be 13 years old, have her father`s penis in her mouth and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened.

Nothing`s wrong. That will help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead. That`s the most important thing you must keep in the back of your mind, is that sex abuse does things to us. It changes you.

As soon as Casey came around this corner and went back, she saw George Anthony holding Caylee in his arms. She immediately grabbed Caylee and began to cry and cry and cry. And shortly thereafter, George began to yell at her. Look what you`ve done! Your mother will never forgive you, and you will go to jail --


GRACE: Robyn Walensky, let me get this straight. The theory is she was in denial because she was molested as a child and, therefore, she left her 2- year-old alone with George Anthony and, therefore, all these string of witnesses we saw in court today are to testify to her denial? She never even mentioned Caylee`s existence.

ROBYN WALENSKY: Nancy, in a million years, any woman -- you know this -- who is sexually abused or even is suspicious of an older man in some kind of way, if a guy looks at you the wrong way, in a million years, are you going to leave your child with that person if that`s true? That is just against the laws of human nature. GRACE: Weigh in, joining us, Caryn Stark, psychologist out of New York. What do you make of it, Caryn?

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, let`s look at this. First of all, there is absolutely no causation between sexual molestation and then somebody losing affect or not being able to grieve or being a poor mother or being able to tell lies.

I`ve never seen a study that says anything like that. And then let`s look at the fact that here is a mother, her mother, Casey`s mother knowing that supposedly her husband killed this little girl or she accidentally drown her or whatever happened, and yet she waits all that time and reports it.

And we have Casey herself telling lie after lie after lie, and then she doesn`t bring up any of this stuff about her father, that her father is really at fault. She`s talking about nannies. This is a classic case of somebody who has an antisocial personality and is a narcissist.

She does body contests with her daughter missing. She`s desensitized. It has nothing to do with sexual molestation. It makes no sense.

GRACE: We are live camped outside the Orlando Courthouse bringing you the latest as the trial of tot mom goes on.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee would almost go swimming every day. She would go as frequently as I know that Cindy would take her or Cee Cee would take her. I rarely got into the pool unless Cindy and I were there together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said it was an accident that snowballed out of control.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You testified today that Caylee did not drown in the pool, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s correct.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know my mom will never forgive me. I`m never going to forgive myself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re more afraid of your mom`s reaction than you are if you ever see your daughter again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I`m absolutely petrified.


GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Let`s see that scuffle outside the courthouse, Liz, just today, defense attorney, lead attorney Jose Baez in a scuffle going into the courthouse. What happened Jean Casarez?

JEAN CASAREZ: Well, apparently the cameras got in the way and there was tripping involved. It was not pretty. It was not a scuffle. But Nancy, one time I was in an area like that and a cameraman knocked my head.

He tried to and it could have been really serious. So they don`t want people to shoot in particular areas. I think the cameras were where they were not supposed to be.

GRACE: Robyn Walensky, what else happened? What was your take?

WALENSKY: This was outside, Nancy, right at the ramp where you`re coming in, where everybody walks in, in the morning. As I understand it, there was some pushing and shoving and Cheney Mason apparently made the remark, you can`t hit me.

You know, I`m an older person that could be battery or something along those lines. This is just the typical stuff that happens when you have a ton of press and the defense trying to get in and do their job. This is nothing new.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Alexandra in North Carolina. Hi, Alexandra, what`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via telephone): Hi, Nancy. I love your show. Your twins are beautiful.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is when Caylee was missing and the meter reader found her body, the police said they searched that area but because of the high flooding, that`s why they hadn`t found it previously.

Is there a way since the weather was so bad and there was flooding that they can go back and look at the weather to see if the weather was even nice enough for Caylee to have been in a pool that day?

Apparently it was raining so bad that it was flooding. I don`t foresee the weather being good enough for Caylee to have even been in a pool.

GRACE: As a matter of fact, that`s a great question. We`re looking it up for you right now. Jean, that would be the weather in the Orlando area on June 16, three years ago, correct?

CASAREZ: That`s right. You know what I remember, Nancy? The prosecution is going to have meteorological experts to take the stands, to talk about the conditions that day, that year, that summer.

GRACE: Out to Patti Wood, body language expert joining us tonight out of Atlanta. What do you make of tot mom crying at various stages? It always seems to be when the testimony or the comments are about her.

PATTI WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Yes. That goes back to what we`ve been talking about and what you heard about the narcissism. Also, if you notice today in court, how she went right for the carotid artery, the hot under- the-collar motions, when her friends were talking about her partying and being happy wild her child was missing. That really, really was upsetting and making her need to comfort in that particular part of testimony.

GRACE: To Dr. Stanton Kessler, former medical examiner, forensic pathologist joining us out of Columbia. Doctor, explain to me how the plant growth around Caylee`s remains are going to be -- is going to be significant in this case?

DR. STANTON KESSLER, FORMER MEDICAL EXAMINER: Well, it may be. There are not many people that do it. There are some forensic botanists we used at Harvard who could actually determine first what the plant is.

Then they can determine how many nodules there are, how long it`s been there and how long it`s been growing in a deceased`s body. We usually use this for remains we would bring up from the ground and would have plants wrapped around it, in the bones. We`ve used that before.

GRACE: Dr. Kessler, with the condition of Caylee`s remains, would there have been any way to determine whether she had drown in a swimming pool?

KESSLER: In a swimming pool -- most swimming pools has as filters, die tell may shows earth, little diatoms are in it. You can look, even as somebody whose bone basically. You can cut open the bone and you can scrape out the inner portion of the bone, suspend it.

Because when you inhale water, if it has diatoms in it, it go into your bones and lungs and other places. Lungs are the easiest place, but we don`t have lungs.

GRACE: OK. Back to Alexandra`s question. Ellie Jostad got this for me, June 15, 2008, 82 degrees, no rain. June 16th, 2008, 81 degrees, 0.18 inch of rain. So it did rain. Their theory is she got into the pool in the early morning hours. To Michelle in Missouri. Hi, Michelle, what`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via telephone): Hi. My question is how can the people, the so-called scientists or therapists, say that she can move on and act like everything is normal after technically killing her child and just leaving her, saying she was molested is the cause of that. Million offense people get molested every day and they don`t go off killing their children and forget anti it.

GRACE: You know what? In my mind it would have made her treasure Caylee even more if that claim had been true about George. I do not believe it is. Caryn Stark, what`s your response to Michelle in Missouri?

STARK: You`re absolutely right, Nancy. It would have made her treasure her even more you would think. And how would that prevent her from being somebody who could grieve and have normal feelings and how could her father and brother have prevented her from attaching?

That`s what mothers do, attaching to their child. We don`t get any feeling of attachment here because no matter what she thought happened to her daughter, she`s just having a wonderful time, not missing her at all.

GRACE: You know, Caryn, I`m going to ask you another question as you watch this video, can I please not see the pushup bra and mini skirt for one minute?

I want to look at the video of Caylee, the exclusive video we obtained of her on her second birthday. Thanks, Liz. Caryn Stark, talking, as you watch this, talking about wanting to -- treasuring her even more if she had been molested as a child.

I was just thinking, my parents worked so hard, were working 24/7. My father working a night shift, just trying to put food on the table and send us to school, and we didn`t get to go on a lot of elaborate vacations.

I was so thrilled at the thought that I could take my twins to Disney, which I never got to do. All the things that I didn`t get to do, I remember I didn`t get to have a Tutu in ballet. I had a leotard. I ran out and got Lucy -- she`s got to have four.

I`m just thinking and projecting, if she were molested, she would never have left Caylee alone with George or Lee. She would never have allowed her to be in the pool alone. None of this ever. Because she would be trying to protect Caylee against everything, Caryn Stark.

STARK: Well, you know, Nancy, that part I have to say is debatable really because in fact sometimes when people are molested, just as when they are abused, they identify with their abuser, which means that they don`t know better than to leave them.

And it doesn`t make sense. But the other part that you`re talking about, you know, being closer to her daughter and embracing her as a result of this, you know, not lying, all that is the part that really counts.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You will hear stories about a family that is incredibly dysfunctional. Casey was raised to lie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was a very vocal child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Casey came home and told her family that she was pregnant --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Extremely excited. Extremely excited.


GRACE: We are live outside of the Orlando Courthouse bringing you the latest in the murder one trial against Casey Anthony, tot mom, in the murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee.

A parade of friends, lovers and roommates take the stand today, and a neighbor. To Thomas Luka, a former attorney for Lee Anthony. What more is the family going to endure by the time this is over? Who else is tot mom going to drag down with her, Thomas?

THOMAS LUKA, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR LEE ANTHONY: Well, we`ll have to see, Nancy. I think, though, probably the most damaging to this family is going to be when Casey herself takes the stand, and is going to have to in detail go through each and every one of these allegations that Jose Baez made yesterday in court.

GRACE: Everyone, we will be back in the courtroom first thing in the morning to bring you the very latest. This is a week of National Missing Children. And we are here, nearly three years to the date, to cover the murder trial and seek justice for Caylee.

Let`s stop and remember Marine Private First Class Steven Freund, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, killed Iraq. Awarded bronze star. Iraq campaign medal. Global war on terrorism, global war on terrorism medal.

Loved hunting, fishing, music, movies. Great sense of humor and kind heart. Leaves behind father Steven, aunt Donna, and uncle Bill. Grandparents Rosemary and Richard. Aunt Jane, Uncle Bill, Aunt Jana. Cousins Mandy, Bill, Jason, Matt, and Justin. Steven Freund, American hero.

Thanks to our guests and especially to you for being with us. And, again, this is National Missing Children`s week. Every year in America, over 2,000 children go missing each day. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children urging parents to take 25 minutes to just talk to your children about safety. Log on to take25.org for information.

Everyone, we will be here live at the Orlando Courthouse in court all day long to bring you the latest in justice for Caylee. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.



Casey Anthony trial continues as friends, roommates testify (videos, Jane Velez-Mitchell transcripts)

Casey Anthony trial continues as friends, roommates testify (videos, Jane Velez-Mitchell transcripts)

On Day Two of the Casey Anthony trial, Casey’s friends and roommates took the stand and testified about the encounters they had with the accused Florida mother of murder during the 31 days that her daughter, Caylee Anthony was missing.   

Taking the stand were Cameron Campano, Nathan Lezniewicz, Roy “Clint” House, Maria Kissh and Anthony “Tony” Lazzaro.  Tony Lazzaro was Casey Anthony’s boyfriend at the time that Caylee Anthony went missing.  The prosecution states that Casey Anthony killed Caylee so that she could enjoy more free time; the state alleges that Caylee Anthony drowned in the Anthony family swimming pool on June 16, 2008.  Either way, Casey Anthony was caught on surveillance video walking arm in arm with Tony Lazzaro at a Blockbuster movie rental store.

According to Casey Anthony, Caylee Anthony was already dead by the time she spoke to Maria Kissh (who was Roy “Clint” House’s girlfriend at the time) that she was invited to her birthday party in August.  There was also testimony regarding Casey Anthony’s numerous lies including that she worked for Universal Studios.  

Additionally, Casey Anthony’s neighbor, Brian Burner testified that she borrowed a shovel from him on June 18, 2008; two days after Casey Anthony’s defense claims that Caylee was found drowned in the swimming pool.

Click the links in the left to see videos from the Casey Anthony trial.

You may read the Jane Velez-Mitchell transcripts below.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, it`s the moment we`ve all been waiting for. Gripping opening statements kick off the Casey Anthony trial. The prosecutor has Casey sobbing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened between June 16 and July 15? Where was Caylee Marie?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Then, Jose Baez delivers the explosive mystery explanation everybody`s been waiting for, and it`s a shocker.

JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: First off, I`d like to tell you what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve got complete in-depth analysis, and we`ll take your calls.

Plus, Oprah Winfrey is closing the curtains after 25 years. Now we`re looking back at the queen of talk`s most controversial moments as we bring you wall-to-wall coverage of the Casey Anthony murder trial. It`s all here.

ISSUES starts right now.



BAEZ: How in the world can a mother wait 30 days before ever reporting her child missing? That`s insane. That`s bizarre. Something`s just not right about that.

Well, the answer is actually relatively simple. She never was missing. Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, when she drowned in her family`s swimming pool. As soon as Casey came around this corner and went back, she saw George Anthony holding Caylee in his arms. She immediately grabbed Caylee and began to cry. And cry. And cry.

And shortly thereafter, George began to yell at her, "Look what you`ve done. Your mother will never forgive you, and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your frickin` life."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a mind-blowing defense in the opening statements in the Casey Anthony murder trial. Casey`s lawyers promised jaw-droppers, and boy did they deliver.

The defense now claims little Caylee accidentally drowned in the family swimming pool and that George and Casey found her dead and the two of them covered it up. The defense says little Caylee was never missing at all. Not for one solitary second.

Then, defendant Casey Anthony broke down sobbing when her lawyer, Jose Baez, introduced the second shocking premise of the story, that Casey suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her own father, George.


BAEZ: This child at 8 years old learned to lie immediately. She could be 13 years old, have her father`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) in her mouth and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened. Nothing`s wrong. That will help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why is she crying? Because it`s the truth or because she knows it is a lie?

Jose argued that Casey kept her child`s accidental drowning death a secret for 31 days because she was brought up to lie by dysfunctional parents, a mom and dad who sat in the courtroom listening to their daughter`s lawyer trash them.

Meantime, after Jose Baez wrapped up his opening statement, the prosecution puts their first witness on the stand, and it`s none other than Casey`s father George. After defending Casey for almost three years, George completely refutes Jose`s claim that he knew about the accidental drowning and sexually abused his daughter Casey. I guess he realized, "It`s either Casey or me, and I guess I`ve got to defend myself."

We have so many clips to play for you tonight. So much to talk about. I am taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

First, straight out to "In Session" correspondent Jean Casarez. She was in the courtroom. Jean, what was it like watching Cindy and George listen as their daughter`s lawyer trashes them? And what was the jury`s reaction?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You know, Jane, I was upstairs in the gallery, and I looked down. And there were Cindy and George Anthony. Cindy had a teddy bear on her lap. And George had the Bible. And he was going through the Bible reading the passages early this morning before everything started.

But when Jose gave that opening statement, it took this trial and it put it on a completely different course because now you have a father versus a daughter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but the jury, what was the expression of these jurors as they heard all these shockers?

CASAREZ: The jurors had no -- they weren`t taking notes, Jane. They were focused. They were stoic. They were intense and just listening and taking it all in. And tonight, I`m sure they`re very confused.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they were restraining themselves, because we were watching this, obviously, on the feeds and everybody, from the hair and makeup people were all like, "Whoa, wow, one shocker after the other. My gosh, my God." That was erupting throughout the day.

Now, one of the most shocking moments of the day came when Jose made this comment about Casey`s childhood. Listen.


BAEZ: This family must keep its secrets quiet, and it all began when Casey was 8 years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. And it escalated, and it escalated.

What does a sex abuse survivor look like? They wear scarlet letter? They have a tattoo on their forehead?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here is my big issue. Could this defense strategy backfire?

Casey accuses her father of sexually assaulting her and points the same accusation pretty much at brother Lee. If jurors don`t buy this defense story that Caylee accidentally drowned. Will that make the jurors despise Casey and be more likely to convict her and vote for the death penalty? Couldn`t they regard her as a woman capable of murdering her own daughter and then accusing her own brother and father of sex abuse, essentially destroying her family to save her own scalp? Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst?

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I tell you what. She`s been lying all along. Who`s to say she`s still not lying about the sexual abuse? We don`t know. Are they going to have to get her on the stand for her to get up there and for her to tell her story? That remains to be seen, Jane, but I tell you what. It`s far from over.

This case has a long, long way to go, and maybe Jose Baez bit off a little bit more than he can chew today, but that remains to be seen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Louise, Florida, your question or thought, ma`am. Louise?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Your question or thought, ma`am.

CALLER: HI. I`m so grateful to get a hold of you.


CALLER: I have two things for you.


CALLER: I think the opening statement from Baez really kind of closed the case for Casey. It`s too much mud-slinging. And for two years Casey has not been able to see her parents, and I think Jose is behind that, because they knew that they were going to have to use them as the scapegoat.

But there`s a comment that I want to make, that has -- I have never heard anything about, from the beginning, no one has ever picked up on this. On the day that she went missing, they all claimed she went missing on June 9.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, yes, we`ve talked about that ma`am. Then it turned out there was video of the little girl with her great-grandfather, on June 15, Father`s Day and Casey had to change her story, and that`s another lie.

But Jeff Brown, this caller is saying essentially what I`m saying. Could this boomerang? Could this defense boomerang, because it is really attacking her own family?

JEFF BROWN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: This is a huge, huge mistake. Set aside the emotional bombshell, but you know there are no facts to support any of this. You didn`t hear about DCF reports. You didn`t hear about any witnesses are going to come forward and say anything. So you have to be left with the belief that the only way he`s going to prove sexual abuse is through Casey.

And as Mr. Brooks just indicated, we know one thing about Casey, is that she never tells the truth about anything. So this is a huge mistake, I think. I think the government is now going to go through the next eight weeks blasting this story. You`re going to hear them blasting it in closing arguments. The jury is going to realize that he`s not -- Baez is not proving up any of this. And let me tell you, he does has to prove it up. Forget what you learned in law school.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinnie Politan, I hear that you`re nodding. Yes or no nodding?

VINNIE POLITAN: I agree. I think Casey Anthony, I think to prove any of this, has to get up on the stand. I was wondering whether George Anthony would concede any of this in an even more jaw-dropping moment. That didn`t happen. She`s got to get up there and tell that story.

Otherwise, if I`m a juror and you`re throwing your whole family under the bus and you`ve got nothing to prove it, I `m going to think the worst of you. I may believe the prosecution theory about the duct tape around the mouth and that you`re a murderer and someone who`s so evil that to save yourself you would spare your -- you wouldn`t spare your family. You`d throw your family under the steam roller.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now get this. OK? They are now claiming accidental drowning. Well, we found an old clip of Casey, if you`re dubious about the pool drowning story. Guess what? Casey and her mom were, too. Check out this clip from a jailhouse conversation back in August 2008. Listen to this.


CINDY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CASEY: It`s blowing up at the media.


CINDY ANTHONY: Someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool. That`s the newest story out there.

CASEY ANTHONY: Surprise, surprise.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jayne Weintraub, I know you`re close to the defense. Casey is in a jailhouse tape, knocking the pool drowning story. Hello?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Say it again. Say it again.

WEINTRAUB: I think that Casey was trying to tell her mother -- remember, she`s being tape recorded. She knows it. She`s telling her mother, "Look, the truth is coming out. The pool story is coming out." Remember what happened here?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa. Whoa, whoa, who, whoa. She -- she`s making fun of the pool story, Jayne.

WEINTRAUB: No. She`s indicating to her mother, and she`s maybe nervously laughing. We don`t know. We know that she`s letting Cindy know, the pool story is out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. Well, I guess we`re just getting started.

WEINTRAUB: And the fact that there`s no DCF report? I mean, what sexual victim? Are we going to blame her now of being a victim of sexual abuse? They did a paternity test on Lee.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold it. Jeff Brown. Jeff Brown, go ahead.

BROWN: There`s not a single piece of evidence that he offered, other than we`re going to hear from Casey. She`s throwing -- she`s throwing her father under the bus on a horrible accusation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And her brother.

BROWN: And her brother. There`s not a single witness that she`s going to offer. That`s despicable.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Everybody, hang tight. We`re just getting started, and we`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. There is so much Casey Anthony craziness to talk about. We`re going to cover it all here tonight.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The story of this case is not about Casey Anthony. It is about what happened between the photograph taken on Father`s Day, June 15, 2008, and the photograph taken on December 11, 2008. What happened to Caylee Marie Anthony?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, breaking news. The prosecution and defense in the Casey Anthony murder trial have made their dramatic opening statements to the jury. The state went after Casey, taking her to task for partying like a rock star in the month that little Caylee was supposedly missing.

But when the defense had its turn, well, you could hear the jaws dropping right on the floor. Jose Baez claiming Caylee was never missing for a second, that she died accidentally in the family`s pool and that George and Casey covered it up.

And he also took a stab at George, accusing him of sexually abusing Casey from the time she was 8 years old, using very graphic language.

I`m taking your calls on this. And caller Joan from Pennsylvania, your question or thought, ma`am?

CALLER: Hi, Jane. I have two questions. I love your show.


CALLER: The way Casey is throwing her father under the bus after the fact, way after the fact, and writing these letters to an inmate she didn`t know, never saying anything to anybody she did know since she was 8, do you think it`s a good idea that he divulges what was in his suicide letter? That`s my first question.

And the second question has to do with the prosecution...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me -- you`ve covered a lot of ground. I`ve got to say, Mike Brooks, I`m hearing a theme here in the callers, that they are angry at the defense for, quote, "throwing the dad under the bus."

We are also not hearing any explanation of if there is this story that they, that George, you`re being looking at right here, and Casey discover little Caylee`s body having drowned in the family pool, how did they dispose of the body if they didn`t put it in the car?

BROOKS: That`s a great question. That`s something that Jose Baez may have to explain. But apparently, whoever disposed of the body -- because they talked about the duct tape. We know there was ankle duct tape over the mouth. Three pieces over the mouth of little Caylee. And also on the gas can. Also, they said that George was using -- as I said, George was using some of this duct tape to put up flyers, you know, at a public.

So were they -- was he trying to say it was George and Casey that conspired to get rid of the body. And then Roy Kronk is the one that found it, found the little body of Caylee and then took it somewhere for months and then deposited it there on Suburban Drive in December? There`s a lot of things that he didn`t explain.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and he kept saying we can`t explain everything.

WEINTRAUB: But does he have to?


BROOKS: Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is he wants to win the case it might be good. You can`t leave that many things unresolved.

WEINTRAUB: But it`s opening statement. Only opening statement, and opening statement is just a preview of what the evidence is going to show. And let`s also remember that George`s girlfriend testified in a deposition that George confided to her in an intimate moment this was a terrible accident that has snowballed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well that was somebody that he was lying with that could have a reason to make something up.

WEINTRAUB: Why would she make that up, Jane? What would her reason be?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, sometimes...

WEINTRAUB: In the intimacy moment like that?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... doesn`t work out, though. Well, you hear different things. It`s like "Rashomon." Let me get to this. This is so important.

OK. Minutes after the defense wraps up the opening statement, the prosecution puts George on the witness stand, witness No. 1 in this case. George flatly refused all of Jose`s claims, from the sexual abuse to Caylee drowning in the family pool. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever sexually molested your daughter, Casey Anthony?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you present in your home when Caylee Anthony died?

G. ANTHONY: No. When I heard that today, it hurt really bad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you dispose of the body of your granddaughter?

G. ANTHONY: No, I did not.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinnie, were you shocked that George stood up for himself instead of backing his daughter?

POLITAN: I didn`t know which way it was going to go. You know, I was wondering: is George Anthony going to go along with this? And is this going to be another jaw-dropping moment? But it wasn`t.

And I think it ended up being the best moment of the day for the prosecution, because I thought George came across very credibly, completely denied all those allegations against him. And I think he withstood cross- examination, so I think George Anthony was the best thing that the prosecution had today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I`ve got to say, I`ve got to wonder how Cindy -- what Cindy is going to do. Who is she going to side with?

More in a moment.



BAEZ: This family must keep its secrets quiet. And it all began when Casey was 8 years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. And it escalated and escalated.

What does a sex abuse survivor look like? Do they wear a scarlet letter? Have a tattoo on their forehead?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, what a dramatic afternoon in the Casey Anthony courtroom for opening statements.

I am joined right now by Casey`s former defense attorney, Linda Kenney-Baden.

Linda, you know...


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. You know the defense team well. Were you surprised with how far Jose Baez went with his alternate story?

KENNEY-BADEN: Well, let me put it this way. I`m not going to comment about what I knew as the defense team but as I listened to that, I was surprised that any defense team puts out their case.

However, having said that, I think that`s what gives it credibility, because usually what happens is we rag on the defense teams. They don`t say anything. They want reasonable doubt. They jab holes. Here we finally have a defense attorney that says, "This is my case and this is what I intend to prove, even though I have no burden of proof." And people are saying, now we don`t believe that. So I think we`ve got to sit back and let the jurors hear it all.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they didn`t say how, in his story, George and Casey disposed of the body. All they did was argue that it wasn`t in Casey`s car, which to me is sort of having a fall back. If the jury doesn`t believe the accidental drowning story, they don`t want them to believe that the child was in the car, because that points to Casey being responsible.

KENNEY-BADEN: Jane, they didn`t say how -- the prosecution didn`t say how the body was disposed of and when and at what point the child died either. Just because people don`t say it doesn`t mean the stories are inconsistent.

I`ve contended, and you know this from day one, that the scientific evidence regarding the air samples in this car is not ready for primetime scientific courtroom. You don`t use it in a death penalty case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, then let me talk about this incriminating evidence. The defense is claiming accidental drowning in the family pool.

The prosecutors argue this was premeditated murder. Prosecutor Linda Drane-Burdick argued months before Caylee vanished, Casey Anthony used the family computer to do some incriminating Google searches. Listen to this.


LINDA DRANE-BURDICK, PROSECUTOR: On Friday, March 21, 2008, between the hours of 2:16 and 2:28 p.m., Google searches were conducted for, quote, "how to make chloroform," quote, "how to make chloroform" with a different spelling, quote, "self-defense," quote, "household weapons," quote, "neck breaking," quote, "shovel." There were Wikipedia searches for the words inhalation, chloroform, acetone, peroxide, hydrogen peroxide and death.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: How is the defense going to explain that, Linda?

KENNEY-BADEN: Well, so you`re taking the prosecution`s word that they said Casey Anthony was the only one that had access? First of all, the defense doesn`t have to explain anything. But I think you heard a hint of how they`re going to do it. I think you heard something about Jose saying that George may have had a make-believe job. So I expect that it`s not going to be just based on time records of who was allegedly working on the day, but the defense is going to look at other records and other scientific and forensic evidence, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, this is going to be a battle, and I think it`s going to be a long one. Thank you, Linda.

KENNEY-BADEN: Thank you, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Love having you on.

And we`re not done. We`re just warming up with the Casey Anthony case. More, next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oprah Winfrey is closing the curtains after 25 years. Now, we`re looking back at the queen of talk`s most controversial moments as we bring you wall-to-wall coverage of the Casey Anthony murder trial. It`s all here.


JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: This child at 8 years old learned to lie immediately. She could be 13 years old, have her father`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) in her mouth and then go to school and play with other kids as if nothing ever happened. Nothing`s wrong. That would help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, Casey`s lawyer drops the bombshell explanation. He has been promising us all along with a one-two punch.

First, Jose Baez claims that Caylee accidentally drowned in the family pool and then the shocker: that George, he claims, had sexually abused Casey when she was a child and a young teenager and he used some very graphic language.

I`m taking your calls; they are lining up.

But, first, I`ve got to Casey Jordan, criminologist. When you look at Casey in the courtroom, she gets very emotional over the abuse and a lot of times she is like zoned out, just like -- almost like checked out especially during the prosecution case. What do you make of it?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Oh, I`m sure Jose Baez will say she`s disassociating because everything the prosecution says is a lie and that`s what she does when bad things are happening.

Listen, it was a bombshell, even though we hypothetically knew that this was the only place the defense could go. It really was a jaw-dropper when the words came out of Jose`s mouth. Even though, at the best, we`re expecting it, we`re in shock. And truly it was -- he knocked it out of the park, Jane. In terms of the defense strategy, it is brilliant.

The question is can he pull it off unless he puts Casey on the stand? I don`t think it will work unless she gets on there and delivers her side of the story and it is more credible than her father`s and I don`t know if that can happen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Jayne Weintraub, you`re close to the defense. Do you think that Casey is going to take the stand?

JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, my guess from his opening statement, having nothing to do with my discussions or relationship with the defense, my guess would be that she is going to testify and my guess would also be that when George Anthony testifies again, he will again be discredited greatly.

I think that George Anthony was not a credible witness. In Florida there`s a jury instruction that --

MICHAEL BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I disagree. And the prosecution is going to declare Casey a fraud.


WEINTRAUB: Let me say one thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No. Let`s hear the other side.

Weintraub: Ok.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because you`ve got two people here, Jeff Brown and Mike Brooks. Jeff, you start and then Mike. I thought he was very credible. He seemed very friendly and very humble.

JEFF BROWN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Exactly. George is painted as a monster. Within minutes the government puts him up there, he came across as anything but a monster. In fact what we did learn was Baez can`t cross- examine anybody. He didn`t know how to ask the questions. He got stopped constantly because he didn`t understand how to ask leading questions or beyond the scope. And if anything came out of that, the jury sat back and said, wow, George isn`t the monster they said he is and maybe this defense is just a defense created up by Baez. I completely disagree with Jayne.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Mike Brooks.

BROOKS: I can just say "ditto" basically with Jeff Brown as he said. I totally disagree with Jayne. You know, we disagree on occasion but I thought George was the best witness, the only witness we had but he was the star for the prosecution today.

BROWN: Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well now, let`s get a glimpse of what role Casey`s brother Lee Anthony might have in this defense case. Listen to this.


BAEZ: Everyone was aware that they hid this beautiful child like a flower in the attic. And you`ll hear evidence that Casey has a brother and he, too, wanted to follow in his father`s footsteps and on certain occasions when he was a teenager, he also attempted to touch his sister although it didn`t go as far.

It got so bad that the FBI did a paternity test to see if he was Caylee`s father and when he was confronted with this information, he didn`t deny it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So Casey Jordan, you see the dad who has vigorously defended his daughter now standing up and defending himself saying, "No, I didn`t sexually abuse my daughter. No, I wasn`t there for any accidental drowning."

Now what is going to happen with Lee Anthony and what is going to happen with Cindy? Are they also going to basically be witnesses for the prosecution against their own family member, Casey Anthony?

JORDAN: You know, they have been waiting for this moment because I don`t think they were caught off guard at all today by this. I think they anticipated it and they just needed to hear it for themselves before they decide what to do in terms of their allegiance.

Hey, did you catch the subliminal suggestion, a flower in the attic? That`s the name of a book by V.C. Andrews I read in grade school where a brother and sister had an incestuous relationship. Jose managed to slip that in there.

But you know what? Lee is going to get on the stand and he`s going to do what George did. He`s going to say it`s not true and he`s probably not going to blame his sister so deeply for trying to save her life that they are going to emphatically, systematically, without emotion deny, deny, deny everything that she says. It really is the only thing they can do. If they get too emotional it will backlash.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, hold on a second. Jayne --

BROWN: Better have other evidence.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jayne Weintraub, is it possible that --




Do you think this doting father really didn`t ask his daughter who`s pregnant until right before she`s delivering the baby who`s the father? Do you really believe that? I don`t believe that. Do you really believe --

BROOKS: What is that actually?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me say this. This is a family that is dysfunctional. I completely agree with Jose Baez on that count. They are enablers, they are co-dependent and they are in denial. And they were in denial about a lot of things. They were in obvious denial about the fact that she was pregnant.

Parents do these things sometimes. It`s called the "my dog doesn`t have flees" syndrome. They cannot see that their precious little daughter is grown up and acting in a manner that would make their hair curl. It happens all the time to families.

To make the leap that because they didn`t recognize their daughter`s protruding stomach that somehow then they are complicit in this conspiracy to cover up the drowning of the granddaughter, it`s quite --

WEINTRAUB: No, Jane. It`s just the beginning of the -- it`s the lies.

BROWN: Exactly.

WEINTRAUB: It`s the lies. It`s the lack of credibility. It`s the lack of honesty and the lack of being, you know, just being honest and forthright when a lawyer asks you the question. He went around and --

BROWN: Look at Casey.

BROOKS: What about Casey?


BROOKS: You`re talking about forthright --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Mike Brooks, your turn.

BROOKS: You`re talking about forthright -- what about Casey, right from the very beginning? If she`s lied from the beginning, is she still making up stories about her father, about her brother Lee? We don`t know. That`s why I said, they better have --

WEINTRAUB: Mike Brooks, when was the last time --



BROWN: That`s why I said, they better have something besides Casey to prove these up because Casey can`t be trusted about anything that she says.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me tell you, they do have something.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jose Baez also claims that while thousands were searching for little Caylee, George was having an affair. While little Caylee was supposedly missing? George was having an affair with a woman named Crystal Holloway. So listen to this.


BAEZ: Crystal Holloway will tell you that one day they had a conversation, her and George Anthony and George began to breakdown and cry and she asked him what happened to Caylee? And he said it was an accident that snowballed out of control.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Casey Jordan, you`ve got a witness for the defense that s going to take the stand and say George admitted to her while he was having an affair with her, allegedly, that this was an accident.

JORDAN: Ok. And how credible is she? And maybe the accident that snowballed out of control is her affair with the father of this missing girl that she`s pretty much injected herself into this investigation. Honestly, it`s going to be her word against his, and since everything in their relationship demised, what does she have an axe to grind with him?

You really -- I don`t know whether she`s going to be credible enough and whether or not the jury is going to be swayed by this. The one thing we know and Mike Brooks nailed it, Casey has lied about everything always and the only hope she has is to get on the stand and say, you`re right. I`ve lied about everything always. But I`m telling the truth now. My dad tells the truth half the time so I`m credible and he`s not.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe -- I want to go to Joe in Colorado, he`s been waiting a long time. Joe, Colorado, your question or thought, sir?

JOE, COLORADO: Hey Jane, how are you doing? Thanks for having me on. My question is I do understand that the judge did say, if there is anybody in the courtroom, any member of the court that overreacts to anything that is said or done in the courtroom, they will be held in contempt and thrown out of the courtroom immediately.

Well, obviously we all know around the nation today and everybody involved that this was quite the bombshell dropped and Jose Baez told us about this new defense. And what I`m wondering is, out of all the people that should have reacted or I think as a man would have reacted --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was the dad?

JOE: Why Casey`s father didn`t have any facial expression?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Very good point. Jayne Weintraub, why no reaction from the dad, George?

WEINTRAUB: Because he knew it was coming. He knows the truth. He knows exactly what is happening. Did you really expect a Perry Mason moment and for George Anthony to say, yes, I admit to a capital sex battery where there`s no statute of limitations?

George Anthony sexually abused Casey and -- Jane Velez-Mitchell, you of all people know the most -- there are no witnesses to sex abuse. It happens every day. You know that these women and these girls are ingrained in their brains that it`s their fault, they deserve it, they did it, it`s their fault. And Jeff Brown --


BROWN: You have to have more than a liar. Jane you have to have more than liar. A woman who lies all the time; you need more than that before you start accusing people. I`m sorry. But she`s throwing her father under the bus and there`s nothing else there. There is nothing there. We would have heard it at opening.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I find -- I don`t know. I wasn`t there -- I wasn`t there in the household. All I know is that there`s a child who died and there`s a mother who is a pathological liar --

BROOKS: That`s for sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- and the lies go on and on and on. So is this a case of -- I don`t want to say this phrase -- but is it a case of somebody finally telling the truth who has lied all of their lives and this is the one time they are telling the truth?